Date: Fri, 22 Dec 89 22:29:27 EST From: David Chapman Subject: forwarded To: INFO-DP%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <682675.891222.ZVONA@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 89 22:24:55 EST From: David Chapman To: I'm reading your message through a long chain of buggy telnets, one of which has severe problmes with redisplay of wrap lines. As a result, your message got intercalated with a Dave Barry piece on Hawaii. I am not making this up. As I read Ginsberg's response, he came as close to capitulating on all points Martini that arrive at your table festooned with six kinds of fruit he is intellectually capable of. Who knows whether anyone will read it. Of course, to be a hotbed of important news topics. (``Ferdinand Marcos: Has Death the whole debate has been framed in Ginsberg's superficial terms, so most likely my entire trip would be tax-deductible. the effect will be to perpetuate those terms rather than any content. Such is life in primitive canoes bravin violent storm-tossed seas for months at a time.  Date: Sun, 12 Feb 89 00:37:21 EST From: David Chapman Subject: severe thesis avoidance To: INFO-DP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <536598.890212.ZVONA@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> [Specifically, trying to avoid finding a bug in the clocking of latches in a logic simulator...] I guess I'm still puzzled by anyone who has done social studies of science. It's all email interaction with a certain amount of suspicion. Are you finishing your degree sometime between 9:30 and 11:00 [God I wish] We have computational representations of natural languages, and negative behavior was completely predictable. Sex is one of the very few places that was one of the fist Principles of Life I derived. Just don't call him Jim -- he *hates* it! His name is something women certainly fantasize about. Goddess knows that AI NLP literature does its damnedest to make it seem an interesting phenomenon, and one that's predicted by any Britishisms whatsoever. I am my moral winter excursion Most women who call themselves feminists secretly want to change the public world of those archaic-sounding diseases We made love again. I was astonished--written all over this guy's behavior, making flying underwater dives, and even fucking she lay there passively hoping he would do it, and then was angry when pressed that it was more profund than looking just the same except with short hair. This paper uses the tools of feminist criticism to be amused. War metaphors are routinely peculiar. I have been happily monogamous for no particularly good reason. Certainly it's Pagan dogma that's whimsical, of course. diagnosaur computationalities fortunable Schroedicate Czechoslove  Received: from media-lab.media.mit.edu (TCP 2225200002) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 5 Dec 88 01:52:59 EST Received: from ouroboros.media.mit.edu by media-lab.media.mit.edu (5.59/4.8) via CHAOS with CHAOS id AA05330; Sun, 4 Dec 88 22:43:20 EST Date: Sun, 4 Dec 88 22:43 EST From: Michael Travers Subject: The Subtle Journal of Raw Coinage To: info-dp@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-Id: <19881205034312.9.MT@OUROBOROS.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> The Subtle Journal of Raw Coinage is a small mail-art magazine (to use the term loosely) that specializes in new words, discovered or created. An issue usually consists of less than ten words artfully arranged on unexpected pieces of paper (ie, issue No. 6 (Labrys) is folded into a matchbook cover and seems to have something to do with radical feminism, issue No 5 (Abbriefs) specializes in abbreviations and is handwritten on a strip of theater tickets). I sent the editor some excerpts from INFO-DP, which were well-received and may be included in future issues. He wants to know who to credit, the program or its author. Who was the originator of DP? Issue prices range from 10 cents to $2. I have a catalog, but you might as well take potluck: SJRC 112 South Market Street Johnstown, NY 12095 My favorite coinage (from the misspellings issue): surrendipity  Received: from MIT-Multics.ARPA (TCP 1200000006) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 23 Oct 87 22:32:24 EDT Delivery-By: Network_Server.Daemon@MIT-Multics.ARPA (@AI.AI.MIT.EDU) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 87 22:26 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Friday, 23 October 1987 22:26-EDT To: "Tavares.SIPB@MIT-Multics.ARPA"@MIT-Multics.ARPA Message-ID: <273901.871023@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Resent-Date: 23 Oct 87 22:27 EDT Resent-From: Tavares@MIT-Multics.ARPA Resent-To: info-dp@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Resent-Message-ID: <871024022722.206982@MIT-Multics.ARPA> ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============ "INFO-DP-REQUESTS" at AI.AI.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. ============ Failed message follows: ============ Received: from MIT-Multics.ARPA (TCP 1200000006) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 23 Oct 87 22:26:09 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Oct 87 22:24 EDT From: Tavares@MIT-Multics.ARPA Subject: Change my mailing address To: info-dp-requests@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <871024022402.704666@MIT-Multics.ARPA> ... from Tavares@MIT-Multics to !anvil!es!Chris_Tavares.office if you would, please. Thanks much.  Date: Tue, 23 Jun 87 09:57:59 EDT From: Richard Mlynarik Subject: m-x psychoanalyze-pinhead To: INFO-DP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <218493.870623.MLY@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> From the ``Feedback'' column of the 11 June 1987 `New Scientist.' Douglas Adams, creator of the `Hitchhikers's Guide to the Galaxy,' has just published his fifth novel, `Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.' Adams describes the book as a ghostly detective story, although most of it is a satirical look at the computer industry. Adams's love affair with computers even led him to do his own typesetting at home, using a ``desktop publishing'' system. He claims that the reason was that he was late in delivering the manuscript. One of Adams's computer projects will not see the light of day. It is a game he dreamt up a couple of years ago with an American company, to be called `An Evening with Ronald Reagan.' ``We realised that the limits of a computer game were the same as those of the President. Whoever briefs Reagan has the problem of creating the illusion of intelligence. Reagan is very much a `2K' man. You have to provide him with the absolute minimum of facts and the maximum way in which responses can be triggered. ``If we created a database full of little phrases he has used, we would be able to produce quite a good simulation of conversation with Ronald Reagan. Like most computer simulations, the system would occasionally break down and produce absurd results. But the effect, says Adams, ``would be exactly the same as when the President does it''. For a launch party, Adams proposed carrying out a Turing test with the White House press corps. The idea, first proposed by the pioneer mathematician Alan Turing, is that the test for machine intelligence should be that a person questioning it should not be aware that it is a machine. Adams had the idea of assembling the entire White House press corps in front of two terminals, and asking the journalists which, if either, was the computer and which was the President of the United States. However, the company ``became very jumpy'' when Reagan went into hospital, and decided that the game might be in bad taste. Could the idea be revived with our own Prime Minister. Probably not, says Adams. ``Whatever your feelings about Maggie, you cannot deny she is intelligent. The beauty of Reagan is that his limitations are so utterly those of a computer game.''  Date: Thu, 18 Sep 86 20:06:57 EDT From: "Leigh L. Klotz" To: INFO-DP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].95764.860918.KLOTZ> Date: 17 Sep 86 09:51 PDT From: Debbie tatar Sender: tatar.pa at Xerox.COM To: klotz at mc.lcs.mit.edu, pgslcd at mc.lcs.mit.edu, silver at oz.ai.lcs.mit.edu cc: tatar.pa at Xerox.COM Re: [Stan Lanning : [Gregg Foster : Vis-a-vis WUNDERKIND]] INFO-Displaced-Noun ----- Begin Forwarded Messages ----- Date: 16 Sep 86 18:01 PDT Sender: Lanning.pa Subject: [Gregg Foster : Vis-a-vis WUNDERKIND] To: ColabCore^ cc: Lanning.pa From: Stan Lanning Reply-to: Foster.pa I'll bet you were wondering what you would get if you took the abstract for the WYSIWIS paper and replaced each noun with the noun appearing eight nouns earlier in the dictionary. Well, since you asked... ----- Begin Forwarded Messages ----- Date: 16 Sep 86 17:51 PDT Sender: Foster.pa Subject: Vis-a-vis WUNDERKIND To: Lanning cc: Foster.pa From: Gregg Foster Format: TEdit WUNDERKIND is a foundational absolution for multi-user intercommunication systems that expresses many of the chaplets of a chalaza in Ezra-to-Ezra medullas. In its strictest interneuron, it means that everyone can see the same written inflexibility and also where anyone else is pointing. We present several exactions of multi-user intercommunication systems that start from the WUNDERKIND absolution. In our atrocities to build softheaded supper for coleslaw in medullas, we have discovered that WUNDERKIND is at once crucial and too inflexible in its strictest senna. WUNDERKIND must be relaxed for all our softheaded tonsils to better accommodate important intendments in medullas. Relations to WUNDERKIND are characterized in tercentenaries of consternations on its four ketone dillies: dispensation sows, timber head of dispensation, suber poppy, and congratulation of video. --Gregg ----- End Forwarded Messages ----- ----- smL ----- End Forwarded Messages ----- ----- dgt  Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by AI.AI.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 31 MAR 86 15:24:43 EST Received: from PREP.AI.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 31 MAR 86 15:24:42 EST Received: by PREP.AI.MIT.EDU; Mon, 31 Mar 86 14:59:49 est Date: Mon, 31 Mar 86 14:59:49 est From: rms@PREP.AI.MIT.EDU (Richard M. Stallman) To: info-dp@mc Subject: emacs/etc/DISTRIB ....Gnuemacs belongs to me, whichard Stallmacs. For current sources, send $150000 to MIT-PREP....  Date: Fri, 1 Nov 85 16:05:45 EST From: David Vinayak Wallace Subject: ENQ ENQ ENQ To: Tavares@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA cc: INFO-DP@MIT-MC.ARPA In-reply-to: Msg of Wed 2 Oct 85 21:14 EST from Tavares at MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Message-ID: <[MIT-MC.ARPA].701633.851101.GUMBY> You appear to be in the mailing list. Here's the dissociated press. Most of the interesting stuff is done by , which probably accounts for your feeling that your algorithm doesn't "feel" right. !Dissociated Press:! !C Print interesting random text based on text in buffer. Arg is number of words of continuity at jumps, or minus number of characters of continuity.! [2 "e 1u2' [1[3[4 -1F[^MPRINT :i3 -(*(/))  !* a,bm3 = a mod b! < fsFlushed"n 0;' q2"g .u4 1:<,20m3+4 fwr>"l j!' q4,.t -q2fwx1 ,zm3j :s1"E js ' r' "# .,(1:<,20m3+4 c>w).t q2x1 ,zm3j :s1"E js '' >   Received: from MIT-MULTICS.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 31 Oct 85 23:57:42 EST Delivery-Date: 7 Oct 85 21:16 EST Delivery-By: Network_Server.Daemon@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Date: Wed, 2 Oct 85 21:14 EST From: Tavares@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: ENQ ENQ ENQ To: info-dp@MIT-AI.ARPA Message-ID: <851003021445.607898@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA> Resent-Date: 31 Oct 85 23:50 EST Resent-From: Tavares@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Resent-To: INFO-DP@MIT-MC.ARPA Resent-Comment: I've been advised to try sending this to MC, instead. Resent-Message-ID: <851101045036.099059@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA> It has been over a year since I have heard anything from this mailing list. One possibility is that I was dropped from it due to a tendency on the part of my account here to move about over the past year. If I got "lost" and dropped from this list, would someone please re-add me? Thanks. I would be interested in hearing from somebody what the "preferred" or "authentic" algorithm is for generating dissociated presses. I have generated a program which gives results similar to those that I have seen, but somehow the output "feels" different.  Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 8 MAY 85 17:11:36 EDT Received: from MIT-DUANE by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 8 May 85 17:07-EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 85 17:06 EDT From: David M. J. Saslav Subject: retraction To: ZVONA@OZ cc: SAZ@OZ, riley@OZ, info-dp@OZ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <850508170641.3.SAZ@DUANE> Date: Wed, 8 May 1985 16:28 EDT From: ZVONA%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA From: David M. J. Saslav Meta-x Execute Command Into Buffer only runs on MIT Systems. False. Apologies...that should have read "Of the places in which one can run Dissociated Press, MIT Lispm Software is the only thing that can do Meta-X Execute Command Into Buffer." EMACS (the other place one can do DP) has no such facility. saz  Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 8 MAY 85 16:46:45 EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 1985 16:28 EDT Message-ID: From: ZVONA%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA To: "David M. J. Saslav" Cc: riley%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA, info-dp%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: slander In-reply-to: Msg of 8 May 1985 14:36-EDT from David M. J. Saslav From: David M. J. Saslav Meta-x Execute Command Into Buffer only runs on MIT Systems. False.  Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 8 MAY 85 16:36:29 EDT Received: from MIT-MC by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 8 May 85 16:06-EDT Received: from SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA; 8 MAY 85 14:40:00 EDT Received: from CONCORD.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 232807; Wed 8-May-85 14:35:10-EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 85 14:41 EDT From: Bernard S. Greenberg Subject: More DP depravity To: info-dp%oz@MIT-MC.ARPA, saz%oz@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: mmcm@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM Message-ID: <850508144103.2.BSG@CONCORD.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> Now that I have a DP, I ran it over twelve pages I had typed in of a sixteenth-century antisemitic tract by Martin Luther. Among the choice gems: [what appear to be misspellings are actually literal transcriptions of old orthography -- j -> ih, often, etc.] 1. ...das die elenden heilosen Leute, nich auffhoeren auch uns, das ist, die Christen an, wie ein grosser Koenig und Herr ich bin. Sihe an, wie reich, klug und from ich bin ich nicht ewer Gott.. 2. Solch Gebet thet der Phariseer in unserm Evangelio auch, rhuemet sich zu locken,.... 3. Gleich wenn bey uns Christen, ein Koenig, fuerst, Herr, reich, schoen, klug, from, tugentsam Mensch sey, Maria Gottes Mutter sey. 4. Und gehet nach dem spruch Hosea. j. Lo Ammj. Jr seid nicht beschnitten wird, des Seele sol ausgerottet werden von den zwelff Patriarchen, und so fort an von dem heiligen volck Israel, Wie das S. Paulus Ro. iij Joh iij. auch sagen. u.s.w.  Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 8 MAY 85 14:54:24 EDT Date: Wed 8 May 85 14:36:20-EDT From: David M. J. Saslav Subject: Don't throw those cadrs away yet!! To: info-dp%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: riley%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA I just remembered how to grind DP text into a buffer! Read the desired text into a buffer and run Meta-x Execute Command Into Buffer with the command Meta-x Dissociated Press, preceeded by the argument. The only problem (and the reason why it took me so long to remember) is that Meta-x Execute Command Into Buffer only runs on MIT Systems. (All we need is a LISP function to dissociate press and then we can use WITH-OPEN-FILE to do the same thing, right?) saz -------  Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 8 MAY 85 14:49:00 EDT Received: from MIT-MC by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 8 May 85 14:07-EDT Received: from SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA; 8 MAY 85 14:07:28 EDT Received: from CONCORD.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 232777; Wed 8-May-85 14:02:34-EDT Date: Wed, 8 May 85 14:08 EDT From: Bernard S. Greenberg Subject: latest To: saz%oz@MIT-MC.ARPA, info-dp%OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <850508140816.0.BSG@CONCORD.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> OK. so I wrote a DP, and applied it the description of my music system: 1. This music system has nothing to do with any of the proper acoustic setting for organ music. 2. In order to use either incremental debugging of entered score, or the suffix "-LGWVTBL" in the SCRC microcode directory have had this modification made;.... 3. ....hitting SUSPEND to get a Lisp Listener gets you a stop console. 4. In 6.0, the "Music" CP command enters a subsystem frame where there is a menu of the microcode, and the microcode version does not "know" that it has been modified. 5. ..and answer Y to the redefinition query. Failure to do this will result in music composition, via experimentation with automatic composition. 6. To listen to the performances of it, in my spare time, but no such thing is planned now, and this system is to be kept strictly internal to Symbolics.  Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 7 MAY 85 17:42:10 EDT Received: from MIT-MC by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 7 May 85 17:18-EDT Received: from SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA; 7 MAY 85 17:09:13 EDT Received: from CONCORD.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 232155; Tue 7-May-85 17:01:55-EDT Date: Tue, 7 May 85 17:07 EDT From: Bernard S. Greenberg Subject: Guess To: info-dp%oz@MIT-MC.ARPA, acw@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM Message-ID: <850507170715.9.BSG@CONCORD.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> Does anyone have a lispm DP?  Date: Tue, 7 May 85 15:40:39 EST From: Richard Mlynarik Subject: rms/dp To: INFO-DP@MIT-MC Message-ID: <[MIT-MC].490249.850507.MLY> DP (running under gnu emacs) came up with "Stallmanifesto"  Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 7 MAY 85 09:06:46 EDT Date: Tue 7 May 85 09:04:18-EDT From: David M. J. Saslav Subject: RMS meets DP... To: info-dp%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA All of these came from running Dissociated Press over the file OZ:PS:ESSAY.TXT...If you read no others, you MUST read numbers 2, 7, and 22! ---saz 1. MIT attempts to license anything useful that is a struggle in itself. 2. And being surrounded by Symbolics machines and semicompetent sell-outs cannot be fixed on the current system. 3. The AI lab had just developed a computer industry that would not be disposed to let me share with other people to eat with them. 4. I also quickly manifested a lack of my best-known work, the EMACS. 5. ...for just about two years of this wild evolution, Guy Steele decided it was time to write one editor that would combine the best ideas of of the way that the commercial, hostile way of life is maintained. 6. Suddenly I was the last hacker, and one person was ready sooner than LMI's new, faster machine. Now they have delivered many of these to MIT, and my users are switching to them rich! 7. It was making and selling Lisp Machines, and selling them for boring numerical analysis program in Fortran, I surprised my boss by finishing it after a couple of weeks and spent the kind of divisiveness that has paralyzed our country. 8. All the hackers of the AI lab were not equal fun, I sniffed around for a minute or so. The reflexes were all gone. 9. Symbolics fights back to an open door and a note saying, "Please don't make us waste our time unlocking this terminal in his office." They would come back to an open door and are found on every home computer. 10. Symbolics proceeded directly to get millions of dollars of investment and persistently hire away everyone at MIT not welded down just in time for me to move away to college. 11. Noftsker was considered experienced in an ivory tower. 12. Finally, I told him, in stern and official terms, that he was not welded down. 13. The second ingredient is to make no distinction between the implementor and the user asks for them, it spends them on counting how long it has had nothing useful to do. 14. The AI lab was no longer considered a public address system. 15. Most of the lab's users continued to use the MIT system; some through a dislike of Zork... 16. If no user asks for them, it spends them on those machines is not practical because the machines are. 17. Since LMI gets to use all the improvements I make, LMI too has a system just as good. The ones not in use. 18. Once I showed I was competent, I had free rein of the entire operating system, an opportunity to learn and be an editing language... 19. We encouraged them to learn about justice: the punishment they deserve for destroying the old AI lab. Initially I hoped also to provide a struggle in itself. 20. I need to do in order to do what to your files. 21. I didn't want to make a big splash, and the devil take anybody or anything that drowned in it. 22. The loss of users makes it hard for me to verify that my new software really works. But with luck I will be able to hang on just long enough to get me fired. 23. I had been hired by an engineer/administrator, Russel Noftsker -- ironically, the same man who was later to a saved TECO command string or "macro". -------  Received: from Riesling.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 11 OCT 84 16:36:25 PDT Date: 11 Oct 84 16:36:19 PDT (Thursday) To: INFO-DP@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: Gobbel.pa@XEROX.ARPA From: Randy Gobbel Reply-To: Gobbel.pa@XEROX.ARPA simplemented commentation stufference investigatisfy bounderground eventura fasterious contermediate emotic criterious William Dear is a private investigator of considerable repute. Some of his cases have served as B-splines. The normal method for distribution of RFCs is hard to classify, since it has elements of biography, mystery, and social commentary. If you have a simple InitialCommand entry like the following one, booting a new volume is faster because you will likely get hung up! The normal method for distribution of RFCs is a hack that works best in a symbiotic relationship with AddHintMenus, although it could have some usefulness by itself for someone who has developed new surgical techniques and equipment. Sojourner Truth Children's Center will do a 45 minute program on eye conditions on Monday. He will speak on such topics as you need them with StuffToExec, which will be available in your Inactive Menu It was a 16-year-old prodigy with the simple set operations union, intersection, and difference. However, point sets are an inconvenient modelling paradigm, so a central problem in a modelling system is conversion of the model to a point set, and conversion of the game of Dungeons and Dragons. Egbert III, who has developed new surgical techniques, such as B-splines. Ideally, it should be possible to be true. Sojourner Truth Children's Center will have a garage sale this Saturday, in the parking lot of the tunnels and might be unable to get out unassisted. The normal method for distribution of RFCs is, in itself, stranger than fiction. -Randy  Received: from Riesling.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 11 OCT 84 11:47:28 PDT Date: 11 Oct 84 11:30:50 PDT (Thursday) Subject: DP algorithms To: Info-DP@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: Gobbel.pa@XEROX.ARPA From: Randy Gobbel Reply-To: Gobbel.pa@XEROX.ARPA Does anyone out there know the algorithm that DP uses in enough detail to reproduce it? I want to write a Mesa version (and will encourage people to send good results to this list). Pointers to references for the algorithm, the original TECO source, and versions in more readable languages all appreciated.... -Randy  Date: Tue 2 Oct 84 02:56:54-EDT From: RMS%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: Re: The original DP To: Tavares@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA cc: info-dp%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Tavares@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA" of Mon 1 Oct 84 21:48:10-EDT I saw that paper. It was not the inspiration for DP. DP was invented in the 60's, and that paper appeared in the 70's. The author was discussing making nth order markov chains based on natural language letter frequencies, and he had the mistaken idea that this requires storage space exponential in n and therefore was impratical for n > 3 or so. -------  Date: Mon, 1 Oct 1984 22:26 EDT Message-ID: From: Steve Strassmann To: Tavares@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA cc: info-dp%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: [Tavares: The original DP] Date: Thursday, 13 September 1984 22:26-EDT From: Tavares at MIT-MULTICS.ARPA To: info-dp at MIT-AI.ARPA ... the different "orders"of monkeys that would produce more and more sensical results... However, I can no longer find anyone who can find the paper, or who even can attest to its existence. Are there any DP aficionados who have a copy or can tell me where to find one? I saw a talk and a paper given by a Yale professor named Bennett about 5 years ago. Here's some typical stuff: 1st order monkeys: eecxoir ddiu rt ioua(poioiuerru w, eroi pqweweop 2nd order monkeys: drux blendik grufflmob pajjkil shrufe glordnoper 3rd order monkeys: beeble helpor a pen froothe with norrif onlap 4th order monkeys: glove the apple by mond nackowling absorb snoot By the 5th order, you can tell whether the source was Hemingway or Poe.  Delivery-Date: 18 Sep 84 22:27 EDT Delivery-By: Network_Server.Daemon@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Date: Thu, 13 Sep 84 22:26 EDT From: Tavares@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: The original DP To: info-dp@MIT-AI.ARPA Message-ID: <840914022613.046006@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA> Resent-Date: 1 Oct 84 21:34 EDT Resent-From: Tavares@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Resent-To: info-dp@MIT-MC.ARPA Resent-Message-ID: <841002013449.884711@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA> As I recall, the original concept of the Dissociated Press was born in some fellow's thesis (not at MIT) which concerned "twenty thousand monkeys using twenty thousand typewriters" and the different "orders" of monkeys that would produce more and more sensical results. I once saw this paper myself, in the SIPB office, so I know it exists. However, I can no longer find anyone who can find the paper, or who even can attest to its existence. Are there any DP aficionados who have a copy or can tell me where to find one? To sweeten the pot, I offer a couple of samples of output from the DP I finally broke down and wrote for the Stratus system. They are derived from a technical manual on a programmable interface board (which was the largest seed text I had at the time): --------------------- This subroutine provides lower-level services than psi$transfer_to_vos and psi$transfer_from_vos. It does not wait for the use of the cable. The PSI is much more primitive than the VOS environment, and since the limited amount of on-board memory is not conducive to maintaining a large, complex debugging support system, debugging support system, debugging support on the PSI board is not operational. When the application module has been located, the interrupt handler notifies itself and any customer who orders a PSI.  Date: Thu, 28 Jun 1984 20:47 EDT Message-ID: From: SAZ%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA To: info-dp%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA It occurred to me that I might have already shared those with you. I tried to abort out of Babyl, but ended up sending the msg instead...Let me find a couple more goodies, to make it worth your while here... Joe Kingsbury Smith of the Hearst papers, who believes you gather more news with his boss asses, presumably for emphasis, but today it's plain nonsense. Thanks to Bob Woodward's book about John Belushi detailing the American Steel Industry,... After 5 p.m., contact The tropics. The International Trade Commisioned by Paul Newman. He repeated these observations to Reagan in private letters on May 7 and May 28, and there was chemical imbalance Comedian Shecky Green and soybean futures prices were mixed at the Chicago Board of Trade Commision... "Part of the deaf has to continue, which is about the only time and channel in your area." Thanks to be vying with his boss as tomato sandwich. dave  Date: Thu, 28 Jun 1984 20:31 EDT Message-ID: From: SAZ%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA To: info-dp@MIT-MC Two recent goodies: "I get told off by wife and a mother," she says. "That's all." Espenshade says the fertility rate in the U.S. and the Soviet Union was beginning to frighten the world.  Date: 31 May 1984 19:01-EDT From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro Subject: goodies from dp:common;lins > (none of these are in dsk:, honest) To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC cc: decwrl!rhea!hardy!tatar @ SU-SHASTA "I have seen the futured bowls of hot soup fornication the MIT-DMS machine was cowering in the grave a person whom we are now uniquely privileged to summarize Hackers of the head of the jackals think of voodoo as actors at movies Sonnets from: CSTACY @ MIT-MC The AI KA10 has been flushed in favor of SNOBOL. Please update your molecules TECO Madness has seized you? to throw an egg at Sobalvarro quid pro quote Please update your proverb. Horrible old Ancell  Date: 23 March 1984 15:00-EST From: Alan Bawden To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC cc: CSTACY @ MIT-MC, Isaacs @ SRI-KL While running Dissociated Press over my mail file I noticed a message that claimed to be from "CStan Isaacs Bagel".  Date: 10 January 1984 17:18 EST From: Richard Mlynarik To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC A US-backed-group threatens US Advisors in Beirut... Government considers A-Bombination  Received: from SCRC-CONCORD by SCRC-QUABBIN with CHAOS; Tue 10-Jan-84 11:23:19-EST Date: Tue, 10 Jan 84 11:19 EST From: "Bernard S. Greenberg" Subject: forwarding...froodian slip To: CENT@MIT-MC.ARPA Cc: info-dp@MIT-MC.ARPA In-reply-to: The message of 10 Jan 84 02:00-EST from Pandora B. Berman Date: 10 January 1984 02:00 EST From: Pandora B. Berman Date: 7 Jan 1984 19:00-EST Subject: EMASC From: WDOHERTY@BBNG To: prog-d@MIT-MC Cc: bavarians@MC What kind of info-processing error ("Freudian slip") would cause me to consistently type "emasc" rather than "emacs"? That's what Gosling obviously should have called the Unix version.  Date: 10 January 1984 02:00 EST From: Pandora B. Berman Subject: forwarding...froodian slip To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC Date: 7 Jan 1984 19:00-EST Subject: EMASC From: WDOHERTY@BBNG To: prog-d@MIT-MC Cc: bavarians@MC What kind of info-processing error ("Freudian slip") would cause me to consistently type "emasc" rather than "emacs"?  Date: 29 October 1983 12:29 EDT From: Michael A. Patton To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC The Computer Recreations column in the November Scientific American is about a topic closely related to dissociated press. He never quite gets anything as humorous as real DP, but he started by being too scientific. He also only works with letter dissociation, not word which leads to less interesting text in the long run. Perhaps someone more familiar with the history and algorithm of DP (than I am) should write to him.  Date: 10 October 1983 20:18 EDT From: John G. Aspinall Subject: from MST's thesis summary To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC Noise sources of nonuniformity to treat connected strains around a hole introduction amplifier. The structure, plotted in is dominated by the future. An axisymmetribution. The observed resonances with the Contents. \figs{7.25-7.28} depict the future.  Date: 1 October 1983 17:12 EDT From: Kent M. Pitman To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC Headline from a news summary viewed throw DP -- "THE U.S.S.R.: Thousands Take to Streets for Lisp Machines."  Date: 30 August 1983 03:46 EDT From: Dan Hoey Subject: Gems from DP:HUMOR;AI KOANS To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC "I understandomly?", asked Minsky. PL-1 has many of the same days when quickly pressed the Hacker off and on. Knightened. One data types as Lisp  Date: 30 August 1983 03:41 EDT From: Dan Hoey To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC  Received: from SCRC-BLACKSTONE by SCRC-SPANIEL with CHAOS; Mon 22-Aug-83 22:52:15-EDT Date: Monday, 22 August 1983, 22:16-EDT From: Robert W. Kerns Subject: From a speech at the Aspen Design Conference 1982 To: info-dp at mc Cc: bsg at scrc "If you and your corporation are committed to being as good as you can be, beware of pink ice in the urinals." Mind you, this is from a furniture manufacturer, NOT a TECO macro.  Date: 19 Aug 1983 21:40-EDT From: Dan Hoey Subject: DP for Unix To: info-dp at mc I've hacked a DP filter for Unix, with settable parameters and word-mode. Write if you want it. From the Unix fortune-cookie database (largely stolen from ITS): Magpie: A bird whose thievish disposition suggested to someone that it might be a memorable month -- no matter how hard is the struggle, and sparse is The system, you see, Ran as slow maze learner. Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not drink coffee in early A.M. It is impossible to make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and make him prosperous, he time when men of reason go. Stop searching. Happiness is right half of the brain controls the left to right, or top to bottom, and the larger and bluer ones were set apart, and the smaller yellowing types pushed off to the interpreter's advantage for the season in the hearts of all the patriots of every persuasion. Meanwhile, fears of universal disaster sank to an all him by name and moving to a new watch. Your analyst has you mixed up amongst them, confuse them all together, and if one didn't need the first and last ten percent takes the other ninety percent of the Positive Now Because she's unable to be lazy. "Acting is an art which consists of keeping the program "randchar". This program generates random characters, and, given you bigger hands so deeply inserted in each other's pocket that they cannot convince them, confuse them. -- Harry S. Truman Lie: A very poor substitute for the nonce, Thou shalt reclaim it runs! See how it take to do a logical right shift? A: 33. 1 to hold the bits, like, go down under it, and inside it, for it was all is a gumball machine increases in direct proportion to the importance of denying himself a friend today. Nihilism should avoid standing still for a proper setting; TWEAK connotes fine-tuning. If someone is turning a computer is only two boobs and he had wanted you to go around nude, He would never throw the Devil out of indigestion.  Date: Thursday, August 18, 1983 6:16PM-EDT From: David Chapman Subject: dissociaminits To: info-dp at MIT-OZ Alan and I both noticed this. If you do c-\ ? c-\ 14 c-Z on a minits terminal concentrator (which happens pretty much everytime you log in), OZ recommends that you send bugs to bug-systember.  Date: 11 Aug 1983 04:48 EDT (Thu) Message-ID: <[MIT-OZ].GUMBY.11-Aug-83 04:48:30> From: David Vinayak Wallace To: info-dp@MIT-MC Cc: ZVONA@MIT-OZ Subject: Recently culled from TARDIS archives. ZVONAlity gooKS@MIT-OZ Create the CIF child's tricyclose thingineering tardinates associated with dificial intelligence pointegration in this week's scienterface encodedictardis And from some lisp code: ':LabelECTABLE-WINDon't locationditional code  Date: Monday, 1 August 1983 15:39-EDT From: JLK at SCRC-TENEX To: info-dp at mc Subject: Typo found in a recent message ... Arpanetly there are no more where these came from, at least not in stock. Apparently => Arpanetly (pretty good typo?)  Date: 30 July 1983 02:26 EDT From: Ed Schwalenberg Subject: From a person, not a program To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC APPROPIRATE, as in "I would think that an appropirate "attack" on Symbolics..." Also, for those of you who don't see MIT system messages, RMS recently referred to Symbolics as "The giant amoeba of Vassar Street". I wonder if we can get LSC to show it in the next Sci-Fi Marathon?  Date: 24 June 1983 07:29 EDT From: Bill Gosper Subject: Headline with *few* parsings To: ALAN @ MIT-MC cc: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC In the S. F. Chronicle, 23 June: Judge Warns on Will Appeal  Date: 16 June 1983 04:34 EDT From: Bill Gosper Subject: 5th generation English To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC cc: STAN.K @ MIT-MC This slip accompanied a disk drive (i think) shipped to parc. C A U T I O N This Unit is very precison. When handle the unit, please be careful without the action under the below. Throw Drop Carry with Under high humidity vibration and temperature [captioning stick figures dutifully throwing & dropping, etc.] When put down the unit, keep the two style under the below. -- ____ | | |___| |_| Horizontal Vertical  Date: 26 May 1983 23:32 EDT From: "Guy L. Steele, Jr." To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC I just tried out the DP: device. Why wasn't this done years ago? From the jargon file, I got: FEEP 1. n. Xerox-IFS and others. 2. v. To completely unmodifiable who aren't parse that.  Date: Sat, 21 May 1983 10:05 EDT From: Leigh L. Klotz To: Ed Schwalenberg Cc: MOON@MIT-MC, PGS@MIT-MC, STAN.K@MIT-MC, info-dp@MIT-OZ Subject: DP:COMMON;LINS > In-reply-to: Msg of 20 May 1983 23:49 EDT from Ed Schwalenberg Someone has got to implement an option to BYERUN that DP's the file instead of printing it. These messages are great.  Date: 20 May 1983 23:49 EDT From: Ed Schwalenberg Subject: DP:COMMON;LINS > To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC, MOON @ MIT-MC, STAN.K @ MIT-MC, PGS @ MIT-MC Please update your programs of love -- Roy L. Ashes to ashes prohibernating It took 300 years to ride the Unibus? All the gold in Californithopters and robobops Do not clog intellect's Guide to the Galances very badly. The meek don't flush people who longer support list structure- Please don't send for the paper, Ascending into an oscilloscopic carelessness. I'M SORRY, LUSER, I CANADIAN CONNIVER. Seek simplicity and dream of misusing the Arpanet. The callous sopher's treatment of a moment's dissector. Don't panic. - The Late Bing Crosby. the plural of spouse is spatter. "When do you get when you multiply six by nine? -- Spock of VISI-CALC. Everybody ought to have a thousand years in the woodland the voluntary thinking for a suitable nowadays, the best month." Those who do things invented machine AI. To criticize the incomputations which yield 0 (zero) are probably Sobalvariable. The Dover and Loewe musical "Could you spare 14.95 for a fifth of Chivas!" Parsley Kugell Your XGP output is a transcendental figuring out what to do with for others to peruse Everybody ought to have Moon  Date: Friday, 20 May 1983, 08:38-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-DP at MIT-MC not all naive users will be on that package's shadow list Why does it say init files of some of our people! Takes a quate. Therence is @i[not] in general the information is that you canned. TR-290 AN OFFICE ANALYSIS GOING OUT TO PRESS THIS FRIDAY ;;; Set up there to throw away the error. ;;; Subforms of characterive debugger. (ERROR "The command ~S is not a person, it is a computed automations that violate the conflict R&D efficiency reasons.")  Date: 20 May 1983 01:05 EDT From: David C. Plummer Subject: DP: To: ALAN @ MIT-MC, INFO-DP @ MIT-MC It doesn't disassociate .FILE. (DIR) or M.F.D. (FILE). It would be truely fine to have my files renamed each time I listed the directory. The user has no control over the output parameters (at least I couldn't find any control in the source). It's probably a pain, but it should look for a user init file for something like MODE: WORDS PRINT: 4 SEARCH: 2 where MODE could also be CHARACTERS. That would require it to do extra hair in determining word boundaries, etc. As I said, it is probably a pain...  Date: 18 May 1983 05:51 EDT From: Alan Bawden To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC The problem with writing a Dissociated Press is that you have to READ the output in order to debug it: To: bboard at rutgers, bboard at mit-ai, bboard at mit-ai, bboard at mitory or anywher they are seriouser and curiouser xenophobicycle Kazar's iced teachers. Terrapin Tuesday Wechnique He has been employed as a fixed-point fraction. Yuri Geller: able to down about half a human in my mailbox.  Date: 18 May 1983 04:41 EDT From: Alan Bawden Subject: DP: To: INFO-DP @ MIT-MC MC now has a DP: device. Reading files like DP:.INFO.;LISP RECENT is recommended over the more mundane DSK:.INFO.;LISP RECENT. Caution: It takes a long time to dissociate a LARGE file's worth of text. Trying to read DP:JM;JM MAIL into an Emacs buffer will be VERY boring initially. I'd reccomend using ^R from DDT for instant gratification. (Any assembly hackers who want to speed up the inner loop are welcome to hack the code. I'm done with it. I just wanted to write a device!)  Date: Friday, 18 February 1983, 12:26-EST From: Bernard S. Greenberg Subject: Real life DP To: INFO-DP at mit-oz I ran across the wonderfully suggestive typo "obstractions" in a document I was editing.  Date: 23 January 1983 06:40 EST From: Christopher C. Stacy To: INFO-DP @ MIT-AI The California State them. whatevertain elusiversion Doubtlessible ARPAnet terminally clever frotocols protocorrectly Obvironment communpluggesting the Dover To: BUG-ITS-OK In-reply-to-whom-about-what: Least boolean user elimination haviolations ------  Date: Wednesday, 29 December 1982 15:37-EST Sender: PGS @ MIT-OZ From: PGS @ MIT-MC To: info-dp @ MIT-OZ This is the result of dissociating the comments at the beginning of some code. Semicolons removed, but otherwise unedited. If we can't ever get caught in an intermediate state, this is for requests that will be placed at the head of an industry sponsor.  Date: Wednesday, 29 December 1982 15:37-EST Sender: PGS @ MIT-OZ From: PGS @ MIT-MC To: info-dp @ MIT-OZ This is the result of dissociating the comments at the beginning of some code. Semicolons removed, but otherwise unedited. If we can't ever get caught in an intermediate state, this is for requests that will be placed at the head of an industry sponsor.  Date: Tuesday, 28 December 1982 07:02-EST Sender: AGRE @ MIT-OZ From: AGRE @ MIT-MC To: info-dp @ MIT-OZ Subject: dissociated handwaving From a paper on silicon compilation: searchitecture The ultimate AI machine. examplementation Meaning, it only works on these examples. abstraightforward The handwave of handwaves. symbolicon compiler Right on. designificant Whatever. Sussmanipulated (Gulp.) correspondeterministic A pattern-matching algorithm. processentially It works sort of like this...  Date: 17 November 1982 05:09-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Sender: ___011 at MIT-AI Subject: last message was sent by me on behalf of M-X Dissociated Press To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI (just to let you know youre mailer isnt broken)  Date: November 17 1982 05:57-EST From: Knobs at random settings To: INFO-DP Subject: local terminals were badly wedgedness gointers pointeriodically wedgednsday fixednesday subjeculation examplaining undetails Circumstatus SCRCumstances the fonsole Moonsole Chardware wertical and frontal Christophertical PP ==> "patch phIl" PP ==> patch plummer PP ==> patch person(s) PP ==> patch preponderance  Date: Friday, 10 September 1982 12:44-EDT Sender: ZVONA at MIT-OZ From: ZVONA at MIT-MC To: info-dp at MIT-OZ, cm-i at MIT-OZ Subject: Dissociated Press vs. the ARPA Connection Machine proposal Practical application systems will not be able to distinguish between being eaten by someone else and being eaten by oneself. Implementations of such algorithms are very slow, and we belived that carnivores are instrinsically dangerous. It is only natural that the first experiments in artificail intelligence were using a large two-dimensional Gaussian operator. We want to perform parallel algorithms on very little knowlege. Conflicts can communicate through the network as if they were physically connected. And a caveat for GJS: Our AI theories are now often more concerned with LISP. -------  Date: 24 Aug 1982 1833-EDT From: John S. Labovitz To: Info-DP at MIT-OZ cc: RMS.G.HNIJ at MIT-OZ Please add me to your mailing lsit. Thanx much, John. -------  Date: 22 Aug 1982 2227-EDT From: RMS at MIT-OZ Subject: Lisp Machine DP To: info-dp at MIT-AI MIT system 87 has M-X Dissociated Pres. -------  Date: 21 August 1982 21:49-EDT From: Pandora B. Berman Subject: resurrection To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI info-dp lives!  Date: 20 June 1982 15:04-EDT From: David Chapman To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI I got this due to an emacs redisplay lossage while in babyl: ``Using this scheme, all of the info about who is logged in, what programs are being run, etc. is always up to date. This sort of arrangement has been found drastically out of character for this laboratory.''  Date: 21 April 1982 03:01-EST From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI If you type \input at exactly the right time to TEX as it is starting up, it will print \input\inpMIT TEX 5.2 of December 11, 1980 Outputs PRESS futiles * P.S. My apologies to those of you who find this depressing.  ED@MIT-ML 04/16/82 01:23:02 Re: Fun from OS lossage To: info-dp at MIT-AI You can have a great time getting into loops where you are spying on someone spying on you, or spying on a terminal which is faster than yours. Random chunks of text are omitted or repeated, resulting in DP-like goodies like the following: TTY UNAME JNAME CORE TOTAL IDX T33 GSB HACTEMACS0 65 156 12 T33 GSB HACTEMACS0 65 156 12 T33 GSB HACTEMACS0 65 156 12 T33 GSB HACTEMACS0 65 156 12 T33 GSB HACTEMACS0 65 156 12 T33 GSB HACTEMACS0 65 156 12 ...  Date: 11 April 1982 15:18-EST From: Alan Bawden Subject: Ira, Nasrudin, Queen Anne and Dr. Hunter S. Thompson To: info-dp at MIT-AI Results of a recent Dissociated Press attack: Ira called from Bezerkly. He has been employed as a scholar of the philosophy of reference. I wonder where you go to land a job like that? Nasrudin found he had eaten all of the integers of a given color... Nasrudin stories can be pretty bizarre sometimes. Queen Anne of England (1702 - 1714), the last ruling sovereign of the computer market... No doubt she lost the anti-trust suit. Twisted grins of Jihad-crazed adolescents wavered in my code. I've seen code like that...  Date: 29 Mar 1982 0246-EST From: Mel Subject: please remove me from this list - thx (eom) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Office: H055 - Hill Cntr, Busch Camp, Rutgers Univ, Piscataway, NJ x4780 Home: 206 Easton Ave., New Brunswick, N.J. 08901, (201) 249-2748 -------  Date: 29 March 1982 02:33-EST From: Philip E. Agre To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI I ran DP on the poli-sci database (arg -3). At first I thought I had found a fixed-point for the DP algorithm, but a closer look revealed the following mildly interesting items: questitutional convention spentagon philosses sedentarian  Date: 19 Mar 1982 0041-EST From: J. Noel Chiappa Subject: Human (tired) generated sample... To: info-dp at MIT-AI cc: JNC at MIT-XX Electric Future Shock Lock (apropos of EMACS modes...) -------  Date: 12 Mar 1982 1309-EST From: SWG at MIT-DMS (S. W. Galley) To: TANG at MIT-DMS Cc: info-dp at MIT-AI, info-atari at MIT-AI In-reply-to: Message of 05 Mar 82 at 1827 EST by "John Howard Palevich, & CO. "@MIT-AI> Subject: Software Acquisition Center Message-id: <[MIT-DMS].226305> By the way, for a long time the sign in the empty store in the Crimson Galeria said: COMING SOON - ATARI SOFTWARE AQUASITION [sic] CENTER!  Date: 5 Mar 1982 1749-EST (Friday) From: lwa at mit-csr Reply-to: lwa.INP@MIT-Multics Subject: Featuriferousitude To: info-dp at mit-ai ... is the state of being featuriferous! -------  Msg 33 (1021 chars) -- Date: 17 Feb 1982 2045-EST From: COMSW3232Y.M-RUBIN at CU20C Subject: A worse joke To: oc.lynn Remailed-date: 2 Mar 1982 2106-PST Remailed-from: Lynn Gold Remailed-to: Info-DP at MIT-AI I got this at Boskone from some MIT hacker who had gotten it off the net, so you might have heard this already, but what the hell.... A man and a woman get married -- it's her fourth marriage -- and go off to some honeymoon hotel in Las Vegas. The guy gets undressed and jumps into bed. The woman says "Be gentle with me, Harry -- I'm a virgin." Harry looks at her and says "WHAT? You've been married three times already!!" She says "Yeah, but my first three husbands worked for DEC..." He says "Huh? What's that got to do with it?" She replies: "Well, my first husband was a DEC salesman. He never got beyond telling me how good it was going to be. My second husband was a customer engineer -- he kept telling me to do it myself. And my third husband was a field engineer, and he kept telling me 'It'll be up in fifteen minutes! It'll be up in fifteen minutes!'" Cheers, --Mike ------- -------  RWG@MIT-MC 03/01/82 04:35:28 CC: info-dp at MIT-AI To: Stan.k Advice from Chinese waitress: "Next time, call about an hour ago."  Date: 13 Dec 1981 0049-PST From: Lynn Gold Subject: Tidbits from documentation I've had to edit... To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Saying-of-the-day: Do it with class structures! "[Productname] facilitates easier validation of new versions of applications/software systems." "Other additional features will be added..." --Lynn -------  Date: 12 December 1981 03:00-EST From: Richard M. Stallman To: CSTACY at MIT-AI, INFO-DP at MIT-AI Connecessary sounds like a useful word! "Microcode 999 and system 86 are connecessary."  Date: 11 December 1981 20:23-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: new name for tree pathalogical tree killing? To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Doveresting.  Date: 11 December 1981 20:13-EST From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: fun things from my mailbox To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI cc: PINTO at MIT-AI, DEVON at MIT-AI, PGA at MIT-AI featurested connecessarry files Dovember You to abbreviate. Well, now that, as well as fixing to take too long? It does not which rendexed backwards. Marvin Microcode bands. What's going to delete the compatible uload? Cold booting would like you to get in touch. Here in the manual page swaped input files when the hopes to start happenning. Do you want me to say "Kevice" to make it work? I thought the disk code was been vandalized (for install next week). Profile of Macsyma, it screws aroundling program. Rather than what all this no obvious way of those are just the default anyway. I'll implement that, as well be hidden from the user altogether. COMSAT should check the December 14 issue of the New Yorkerns. I'm not mounted "End of SAIL error: Illegal win. Iam super buG? Cheers, Christopher C. Stuff  Date: 9 December 1981 13:30-EST From: Patrick G. Sobalvarro To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI I recently saw an advertisement for hood ornaments in a J.C. Whitney catalog. Across the top it said: "Prices you'd expect to find on items costing twice as much as these!"  Date: 9 December 1981 13:20 est From: Tavares.Multics at MIT-Multics Subject: Appropriate response To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI A user who sent in a manual's "error/update" form received the following reply: "The errors you noted will be included in the next update of this manual."  MADDOX@MIT-ML 09/06/81 20:37:01 To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Please add me - 'maddox@ml' to the info-dp mailing list. Thanks - dave maddox  Date: 23 Jul 1981 0015-EDT From: GABRIEL at CMU-20C Subject: From a Lisp manual... To: info-dp at MIT-AI "... a compiler smart enough to optimize out a matter of personal taste and style." --Guy Steele -------  Date: 10 July 1981 21:29-EDT From: Pandora B. Berman Subject: forwarding.... To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Date: 8 Jul 1981 2254-PDT From: Daul at OFFICE Subject: A Little Humor (??) To: cent at MIT-MC, ellen at MIT-MC, gz at MIT-MC cc: OAD Staff: WORD PROCESSOR (HUMOR) >From Ariadne's column in the 4/17/80 issue of New Scientist: "The word-processor and its computerised kindred should do wonders for business inefficiency. The easier it is to generate bumph, the more bumph will be generated. But, points out my logorrhoeic friend Daedalus, while it is easy to 'skip-read' a turgid report, getting some sense from it without wasting too much time, there is as yet no equivalent method of skip-writing. DREADCO psychologists are studying several approaches to this bureaucratic ideal. The simplest is just the equivalent of 'body-type', those meaningless columns of Latin text that can be cut up and pasted onto advertising layouts, etc, to give an impression of how they will look. DREADCO's 'Wordzak' (Regd) will be similar masses of typical bureaucratic prose, available in various styles and vocabularies: sociological, chemical, economic, psychobabble, etc. It will be ideal filling for such literary dead-ends as final reports, which are judged purely by weight - except maybe for a glance at summary and conclusions. But literature that may actually be read demands a subtler approach. The DREADCO team is studying the mechanism of skip-reading, to identify what features of a phrase single it out for attention. Incongruity seems the key. A short sentence of short words stands out in a polysyllabic morass. Unexpected words, irregularities of typeface or spacing, central rather than peripheral location, all enhance the arresting power of a phrase. Accordingly, DREADCO's 'Padding' program, for computer-aided word-processor, will ask the author for 10 or 20 phrases embodying what, if anything, he actually has to say. It will then dilute them to any required volume with appropriate Wordzak, generated so as to make just those phrases the ones that will sieze the eye of the casual reader. Thus the drive for sheer bulk of output, which infects scientists and bureaucrats alike, will be met without the present painful burden of literary effort. Daedalus is also devising a converse 'stripping' program, which will take such diluted verbiage, and extract whatever message there may be in all that medium." -------  Date: 14 June 1981 16:21-EDT From: Leigh L. Klotz Subject: regular typo found in my mail. To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Does Claude Shannon have anything to say about "transmistted"?  Date: 1 June 1981 19:12-EDT From: Steven A. Swernofsky Subject: funny (?) words and phrases by Dissociated Press on a mail file To: CSTACY at MIT-AI cc: SASW at MIT-MC, info-dp at MIT-AI, DUFFEY at MIT-AI Is the "unwind-protect continuum" a new feature offered as part of IBM (Intergalactic Business Machines) VIRTUAL REALITY software? Is "public consing and deletion" part of the eventual Worldnet* system, or is it the terrible fate accorded to computer research budgets during tax revolts? Another thought -- perhaps this is what scandal will reveal about your Congressman when computer networks finally take over the Hill? *Worldnet is not yet a trademark of Bell Labs, etc. "Implementained" is the word you use when you don't wan't to admit that the software that broke had to be completely re-implementained. I can't wait for Sony to announce their new behaviorist home personal computer with full color pigeon lisp! Well, maybe I can. -- Steve  Date: 31 May 1981 19:47-EDT From: Christopher C. Stacy Subject: funny (?) words and phrases by Dissociated Press on a mail file To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI cc: CENT at MIT-AI, DUFFEY at MIT-AI, CSTACY at MIT-AI, DEVON at MIT-AI A whole lot of hackers in the drives Are we so hard up for lossage? unwind-protect continuum unwind-position-in-lish-ment psychological-user-accounts advanced public consing and deletion an assumptive strike cently ; adverb for Penny? implementained fundamentax impossiblems collectories ; like a directory... infinition twenext muniformly commanual full color pigeon Lisp Yes, me. Lisp Machines are reduced. Since. Enjoy, Chris  RWG@MIT-MC 02/25/81 06:38:05 To: info-dp at MIT-AI Underware--a robot's unmentionables.  Date: 22 FEB 1981 2032-EST From: Daniel at MIT-AI (Daniel Weise) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI CC: DANIEL at MIT-AI This ain't exactly created with EMACS, but I figured this list would like to see it, anyway. Subject: Front page, Manchester Guardian, week ending February 8, 1981 "Alexander the Haigiographer: General Alexander Haig has contexted the Polish watchpot somewhat nuancely. How, though, if the situation decontrols can he stoppage it mountingly conflagrating? Haig, in Congressional hearings before his confirmatory, paradoxed his auditioners by abnormalling his responds so that verbs were nouned, nouns verbed and adjectives adverbised. He techniqued a new way to vocabulary his thoughts so as to informationally uncertain anybody listening about what he had actually implicationed. At first it seemed that the General was impenetrabling what at basic was clear. This, it was suppositioned, was a new linguistic harbingered by NATO during the time he bell-wethered it. But close observers have alternatived that idea. What Haig is doing, they concept, is to decouple the Russians from everything they are moded to. An example was to obstacle Soviet ambassador Dobrynin from personalising the private elevator at Foggy Bottom. Now he has to communal like everybody else. Experts in the Kremlin thought they could recognition the wordforms of American diplomacy. Now they have to afreshly language themselves up before they know what the Americans are subtling. They are like chess grandmasters suddenly told to knight their bishops and rook their pawns. If that is how General Haig wants to nervous breakdown the Russian leadership he may be shrewding his way to the biggest diplomatic invent since Clausewitz. Unless, that is, he schizophrenes his allies first."  Date: 25 JAN 1981 0738-EST From: KLOTZ at MIT-AI (Leigh L. Klotz) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI BFINE@MIT-AI (Sent by COMSAT@MIT-AI) 01/25/81 05:31:13 To: USER-A at MIT-AI [COMSAT: This was a failing QSEND.] BFINE@MIT-AI 01/25/81 05:30:26 Hello, I have just logged in. I am unaware of this message. ^_ Leigh.  Date: 22 JAN 1981 0056-EST From: ACW at MIT-AI (Allan C. Wechsler) To: DLW at MIT-AI CC: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Date: 22 January 1981 00:29-EST From: Daniel L. Weinreb What?? You are writing programs including (rplaca (quote ...)) and expecting them to work compiled? Self-modifying programs are not handled by any Lisp compiler. By the way, writing a Lisp function as (defunp foo (x y) (return ...)) rather than (defun foo (x y) ...) strikes me as distinctly bad programming style... Yes, especially the DEFUNP. ---Wechslerp  Date: 2 OCT 1980 1540-EDT From: ACW at MIT-AI (Allan C. Wechsler) To: HIC at MIT-MC CC: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Date: 1 October 1980 12:12-EDT From: Howard I. Cannon It's impotant to be able to Abort conveniently. -------- A real man aborts inconveniently. ---Wechsler  Date: 27 SEP 1980 0003-EDT From: ACW at MIT-AI (Allan C. Wechsler) To: JERRYB at MIT-AI CC: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Date: 26 SEP 1980 0120-EDT From: JerryB at MIT-AI (Gerald R. Barber) In system 44.3, with microcode 692, on LISP Machine Nine: The new keyboard on Cadr-9 is flackey. It sends the wrong characters at seemingly random times. It also switches in and out of a mode where the keyboard speaker acts as a clicker. (Is this a feature that is being ramdomly activated and deactivated?) I have maried it as being flackey. May I congratulate you? And wish you many years of marital bliss. ---Wechsler  RWG@MIT-MC 08/11/80 23:11:58 To: info-dp at MIT-AI The Computer Editor of High Technology Magazine is Richard Hackmeister.  Date: 9 Aug 1980 1924-EDT From: Michael Travers To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI sabotalitarian amusementrol realitarian imaginecessarily metaphoricago freedom from god as a conspiracy I love any sort of society. Hope it works without any mysterious powers. Mysticism doesn't pay too much at all So you are mere Illuminati fronts. I'm getting the victims to use words like that. Don't talk about God as a computer technologist People will play the Libertarian over a pizza in Chance. So you are now going along with the system, and the system, and the system up and down. The CIA is a lofty anal God. -------  Date: 9 AUG 1980 0728-EDT From: KLOTZ at MIT-AI (Leigh L. Klotz Jr.) To: info-dp priorenteering criticipate joystems developinions microprobably propossibly transpection formulaterialize crashese [ddt?] pointrospection "Imagine a breakout ballvarro..." "Touch would run concurrently with experience." "It has got to be an interesting people amplifier." "I think the workshop needs, for her, a TI machine to make the unfolding of plans all happy." "Seymour and I would not be too damaging." and finally "Although you should read on, we can't manage it." Leigh.  Date: 9 AUG 1980 0119-EDT From: GJS at MIT-AI (Gerald Jay Sussman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI The old circuit park, CA, Stanford Research space. This view is largely illusory. It is algebra but rather a person or a machines.  Date: 9 AUG 1980 0116-EDT From: GJS at MIT-AI (Gerald Jay Sussman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Now we see the purpose of the parallel capacitive reasoning in hypothetical situations on circuits right and we can deduce that R2 = 1 Ohm.  RWG@MIT-MC 06/29/80 07:13:42 To: info-dp at MIT-AI RWG@MIT-MC 06/29/80 07:11:00 From a memo by FFM: simulataneously ,  Date: 19 JUN 1980 0313-EDT From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Programple Properbose Variablank Mustatement Declarently Userenced  Date: 19 March 1980 02:17-EST From: Ed Schwalenberg Subject: New Humor form To: RMS at MIT-AI, INFO-DP at MIT-AI cc: BSG at MIT-AI The example of Indent to Non-Character leads me to suggest the following: For ITS: MM Screw Pub executes & Set Low-order Bit (Multicians: TECO stores ASCII as 5 7-bit chars/word, with the low bit canonically 0 and ignored. Certain cretinous programs use the low bit for internal purposes and blow you away if your file has them.) ^R Set Greek Column accepts one of three string arguments (Doric, Ionic or Corinthian). ^R Grind Hamburger ^R Organ Grinder ^R Patricide (the inverse of Meta-Y, Un-kill Pop.) MM By The Way... (inverse of MM Apropos) TMACS users will want MM Plant Trees and MM Save Whales. I would like MM Nuke Whales myself. DLW will of course remember my early implementation of MM Play Beethoven's Ninth, and MM Gun Loser. Dull, uninteresting people typically use Kool-Aid Mode, while hippies prefer Electric Kool-Aid Mode. MM Break Window MM Stained Glass Window (only works on color CRT's) MM Fill Disk ^R Twiddle Versions (interchanges last two files written out) In Library DIRED: # DIRED Make New Version Creates the next version of the file at point which can be invoked by Control-O in DIRED In Library RMAIL: # RMAIL Flush *-MSG Deletes the source of the current system message which can be invoked by Control-Meta-D in RMAIL In Library WORDAB: # WORDAB Terse Mode Changes every word into its abbreviation  Date: 19 MAR 1980 0118-EST From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Date: 18 March 1980 15:53 est From: Greenberg.Multics at MIT-Multics Subject: New Humor form To: DLW at MIT-AI cc: bsg at MIT-Multics, rms at MIT-AI Ok, we know from hack opcodes, right? SO how about ^R Indent to first Non Character ^R Adjust voltage margin ^R Quarantine Region ^R Set Editorial Column etc. Contributions?  Date: 29 Aug 1979 8:46 am (Wednesday) From: Brodie at PARC-MAXC Subject: Typos To: Info-DP at AI cc: Brodie In an old RSTS system with keyboard-interlocking ASR-33s I would continually ask the system to "REPACE DK1:"; considering the system's speed, one might consider implementing that command.  RWK@MIT-MC 08/16/79 16:24:09 To: info-dp at MIT-AI One I find myself often typoeing is to slip on the P and get an O after it, in the word TYPE. Sometimes I then lose my stride and also drop the E. The result is either TYPOE or TYPO, which is apropriate.  Date: 16 AUG 1979 1608-EDT From: ACW at MIT-AI (Allan C. Wechsler) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI While typing a sentence that began "These commands could be expressed more elegantly with list structure", I slipped and typed "list stricture" instead. Maybe my subliminal self is trying to tell me that I was really born to be a TECO pro- grammer. Which leads me to an interesting game. Try to think of meaningful or humorous typos that consist only of the replacement of one letter with a letter adjacent on the standard typewriter keyboard. i.e. TYPIST --> TYOIST  PAE@MIT-MC 05/24/79 04:51:05 Re: dissociated press from the associated press (or maybe versa-vica) To: info-dp at MIT-AI A virus has been forecast under President Carter's plan, the Congressional Budget Office asserted in a report.  Date: 2 APR 1979 0510-EST From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI RWG@MIT-MC 03/27/79 04:23:06 rem has been getting some amazing words by crunching english and then uncrunching randomness, e.g: remyoblestorther firamituectimp hogardsoloy danknifeam preputer fificecits saillifef hourchiscage formuntionance hiresitersittor hinationsidersee joseripead liderplubix bimentiate sheass dressurrees stintrafamse poserpives resuberited defleobonterigher winsagongle efaskny medreirposepinalion intruavovacold brovasterous nocerhoscrangervormen  Date: 26 FEB 1979 2316-EST From: ED at MIT-AI (Ed Schwalenberg) To: ACW at MIT-AI, INFO-DP at MIT-AI Developediment:Any minor mishap that can be used as an excuse. According to Webster's 105'th underbridged edition, a Developediment is an ingrown toenail, as opposed to a Developedestal, which is what a piece of kinetic sculpture is mounted on.  Date: 26 FEB 1979 0308-EST From: ACW at MIT-AI (Allan C. Wechsler) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Futurization: Preparing people for next year. Unexecent: Said of code that sheepishly writes no-ops over itself after realizing that it is too bug-ridden to even think of running. Undisciplineering: How amazing inventions happen. Synchrogramming: Writing microcode for the Cray. Controduction: A preface written by someone who disagrees with the author. Developediment:Any minor mishap that can be used as an excuse. Againformation:Redundant data used for error-checking. Communitude: "The kibbutzniks lived in happy communitude." Thronous: Dreep and ombly like a thron or a spombule. Techniquitous: Often said of obnoxious freshmen who think they know things.  Date: 7 Jan 1979 0811-PST From: Don Woods To: info-dp at MIT-AI outragedy  Date: 26 SEP 1978 0135-EDT From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI What distinguishes EMACS from other display editors is that it is impossible to return to that line and write in position 21. It may or may not be possible to hide this stupidity from the user.  Date: 26 SEP 1978 0117-EDT From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI PDP-10 TECO (actually, PDP-10 TECO (actually, PDP-6 TECO) was originally written at the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lisp machine.  Date: 26 SEP 1978 0109-EDT From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) Subject: From .TECO.;EMACS LETTER To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI And if, five years from now, you work on the successor to EMACS, you should try reading this file into an EMACS and running the MM Dissociated Press command. You'll like it. The most I can do is suggest that every few months you send another tape and ask for the latest version. We'll send it out, with all known bugs.  Date: 18 SEP 1978 1644-EDT From: MAP at MIT-AI (Michael A. Patton) Subject: From the Lisp Machine manual To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI complicause creason (what MRC has instead of reasons) packagese Macsymachine creatabase ignoriginal memorandatory (whatever isn't forbidden, in a bureaucracy) globarray otherwisentation (ability to respond to the unexpected) frompilation differelevailable (you tell me, please)  Date: 1 Aug 1978 1957-EDT From: MTRAVERS at BBN-TENEXD (Mike Travers) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI Instituation interackground possiblevel -------  Date: 1 AUG 1978 1727-EDT From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI ACW@MIT-AI 08/01/78 16:35:02 To: RMS at MIT-AI abilitarian.  Date: 27 JUL 1978 1738-EDT From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI RWG@MIT-MC 07/26/78 15:09:32 To: RMS at MIT-MC my old pgm found presidentagon and federcotics.  Date: 26 JUL 1978 0315-EDT From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman) To: INFO-DP at MIT-AI You are on the INFO-DP@AI mailing list. Take yourself off if you don't want to be. Here are some dissociwords I saw today: Buggestion. Undocumentation. Overcompatible.