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CS1= CS2=@ ++DjDSK: ERR UNIT #CS1=CS2=DSK: ERR UNIT #ER1=ER2=ER3=STARTING DISK ADDR=DSK: TOO MANY ERRORS(Cw.$=E1HCDSK: ECC CORRECTED ERROR, UNIT #CYL HEAD SEC QSRACCpCp Z\F"x+EXMFD CLOBBEREDMFD HAS WRONG NUMBER OF DIRECTORIES$ (0){H){B $ A0(09{PDSK: HUNG ON UNIT #ADDR=B`BDSK: IRREC DATA ERR #UNIT=BLK=&( ,z&(,z&(,z$0 .0P,z$0.0P@,z$0.0P,z"8 XBq+GlMFD CLOBBEREDTUT CLOBBERED @B[DIR CLOBBEREDBq,DZ`H`f J3`I@`H?+I!2t@a`Ie0A{$0A{0( $ 0I{A]A]A]bJ08Jv$8Jv8M Channel closed( NOT`Os$8K05\P{+T@ZpL>3bpKA:h,z@M @M"(@M"`OB.*r`O"`/*r`OH}O },P +P*$p8 Z8K4Mwx^`+P H  y-aL`怛}+q0*2  NO 8M \`T@xpNU+Q 7`8KA+QT`Q; (Q(B H8M; *t J8MT+QP5[8KZU,]0L@+Q%P>8K( 08KZTq*Q J8N (Q(B H8Mm+Q:8N!".B8Mm+Q% 6R`Q_Timeout3|*r`R?`T@ 8(@( Illegal byte countIllegal opcode @NI+T@(@0J+T@+R)U System not upp@@+T@ H  R !`Connection does not exist at this end `$8 p+Ro Z5HRt`R,Z8K([8L>2< `S!+T@:Ni`S:Nj`S:Nk`Srh2@(D(D D x9Sw@N`T[@N`T[@N`T[p@`Ta\ :h,zLUNCHXBw+{@CHAOS NET ATTEMPTING TO USE TOO MUCH CORE0QF@5Fr@@@+r<!{ 0N(T9U 0N(,T_+U+)16+0 +OxZK 6+U`U3B.*r`U3"`/*r`U1 P)Bx(($d0vQ`^^E/"+^u=^- 8v^auv! 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"EM.M& Indent without TabsUMM & Indent M.M& Xindent without Tabnter with fishscale shing)MrSles, nifty windows... well, I can keep dreaming, right? -Riki  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 13:50:29 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:43:21 EST From: lcs Mail System (MMDF) Sender: mmdf@lcs.mit.edu Subject: Failed mail (msg.aa12690) To: CZ@ai.ai.mit.edu Message-ID: <9003301343.aa13071@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Your message could not be delivered to 'racers-request@hoosier.utah.edu (host: hoosier.utah.edu) (queue: smtp)' for the following reason: ' ... User unknown: No such file or directory' Your mes$sage follows: Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa12690; 30 Mar 90 13:33 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:35:05 EST From: "Christopher R. Zach" Subject: Request to be added To: "racers-request@HOOSIER.UTAH.EDU"@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Fri 30 Mar 90 00:18:28 EST from Mark Sirota Message-ID: <716326.900330.CZ@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> PLease add me to the Team.Net racers forum. Thank you CZ  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 13:44:20 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EioDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa13001; 30 Mar 90 13:41 EST Received: from porthos.rutgers.edu by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA27880; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:43 EST Received: by porthos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.3/3.05) id AA14876; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:40 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:40 EST From: kjc@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9003301832.AA14876@porthos.rutgers.edu> To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Subject: house? mouse? guess who's renting a house & populating it with 7 other folks come June 1st? Hahahahahaha!!! kjc p.s. anybody wanna live in New Brunswick? we got room hVOkfor 2 in a double ...  Fs,x}L1.0) id AA16494; Fri, 30 Mar 90 11:07:52 PST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 11:07:52 PST Message-Id: <9003301907.AA16494@nlp9> To: sexual-politics@mc.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Kayvan Sylvan's message of Thu, 29 Mar 90 23:47 PST Subject: Re: The `Men' and `Women' columns of Playboy Organization: Natural Language Inc. I recently found that Emily Prager has a column in _Penthouse_. Mighty weird! <_Jym_>  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 14:27:18 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa14606; 30 Mar 90 14:19 EST ReceTKOY*x~ ived: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA27925; Fri, 30 Mar 90 14:10:24 EST Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:40:04 EST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from bethayres.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bethayres.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:37:20 -0500 (Hf|x~LEST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.10.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.bethayres.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.bethayres.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:37:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu, lmb@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: houses In-Reply-To: <9003301710.AA10073@ky.ftp.com> References: <9003301710.AA10073@ky.ftp.com> Ah, no. I don't think I own a house. I don't think any of the current Pittsburgh elbows crowd owns a house. I live in one, thounR(xgh. -- DdJ  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 14:08:11 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa13889; 30 Mar 90 14:01 EST Received: from Ky.ftp.com by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA27908; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:54:19 EST Received: by ky.ftp.com id AA10561; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:54:26 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:54:26 EST From: Riki Beth Weiner Message-Id: <9003301854.AA10561@ky.ftp.com> To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu, lmb@athena.mit.edu, sw0y+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: houses I don't have a house. My parents have two 74Rxhouses, and no, not because they're divorced- they aren't. no, they were very lucky- the day before the stock market went CRASH in 1987, they'd taken their retirement-money- that-we're-trying-to-increase-by-playing-the-stock-market OUT of the market and put the down payment on a summer cottage in Maine. boy, were they glad they did the next day. this doesn't mean I don't want a house. I do. A very particular 3-story Victorian on Route 4 in Farmington, CT. It's got a mansard roof, a square tower in the ceillack, Mark S.MarkFILDI GROUP RELAT38-1613-419223 Farrington St. Arlington, MA 02174643-0472M.S.Kazimi and L.Mw7T3ux .LidskyFusion Safety*PGMay 15see my lawyerMXMST 840406-183533MST@MC MTTravers, Michael{}FILDI GROUP RELATE15-4943-060815 Guilford St Allston787-5915some reasonVivariumVSIH@MX*ASMarch 8Up in my head there's an animal kingdom I am the king of the animals there -- Meat Puppetsmt%media-lab.media.mit.edu@mintakaMT 890628-163920MT@AI @MC @MX @MDMTDMichael T. DoughneyMike9348 Cherry Hill Road, #221 College Park, Maryland 20740-1242(301) 345-0345DIGEXThe Killer App digex*TNJuly 2AIMTD 890624-182104MTMMason, Matthew T.MattFILDI GROUP RELATNE43-3383-58703 Leslie ?|YxLRd. 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Live fast, die young, stay happy.nathan%umass.bitnet@WISCVM.WISC.EDURG 861017-133107NATHAN@AI @MC @MX @xLMDsNAVYCenter, Naval R&DTaylorFILDI GROUP RELATBethesda, MarylandELIZC*TMMXINQUIR 830512-000000NAVY@MC NAVY@ML NAVY@DM NBBenhaim, NedNedFILDI GROUP RELATDialog Systems Inc, 32 Locust St, Belmont, Mass489-283016 linnaen st Cambridge, Mass 02138USERS5*TMMXINQUIR 830512-000000NB@MC NB@ML NB@DM NBBBauman, Nena B.NenaFILDI GROUP RELATNE43-5263-6030Jack Dennis.data flowDFLOW@ML*CGJuly 22nbb@xxINQUIR 830512-000000NBB@MC NBB@ML NBB@DM NCSS@1q8q7@7ir@9#8q;u}r @4uAr@4u 7@j}@P: @Kl@Nq@N @!Lq@G E#qR}2wd2}phY/_. rw@'1ryI222p2(>2(n@(O}Z mim6Y=4)2V@x( @@4u222LK@4u224%[ErkC2^@4@C2^@4@~2=MMYESO)'O+E)SIO'&SGES7i/Ip)587@j}4"i@$q* }Cz~@07 To: jlv%ai.ai.mit.edu@zermatt.lcs.mit.edu Subject: testing ack.ack.ac :7GmS807H&CRLU30U30 Y. "TP#KU,NQt/%`h+dd fl`mdO@W 2 R+%6$INXi9"E*`R,;g@_B-`fg@h @++ )[S;l z4+hAy'I~r~4+4)4+@4u{@0o =jy_Z54)xB*nita. Best wishes on your continued recovery. Itsimportant to go on these trips of self-discovery. If youare interested, you may want to look into bio-feedback andacu-puncture. Both of those may be very helpful to you.I don't know about cheseapeake, bu there is a big acupunctureacupressure community here in DC.Well, I'd like to say that I think this group serves as agood sounding board and support organization. I just recentlychatted with a girl who had made a posting onto a.s.b abouther lifestyle and was subsequently harrassed by some people.Other people in the public forum have had that problem. Herein this group one cane:d be much more open without worrying aboutmindless harrassment.well take care allRoger-- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ "If ever you want to touch the hand and the heart of God @ @ Almighty, you can do it through the body of someone you @ @ love. Anytime. Anywhere. Without no middleman." @ @ -"Godbody" @ @ @ @ mail.alternates @ @ submissions/questions: alternates@binbi.vanc.wa.us @ @ Editor:h Hank Buurman hanker@binbi.vanc.wa.us @ @ Archivist: Jim Roach jim@dsinc.dsi.com @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Copyright 1990 Hank & Deb Buurman. All rights reserved. ==================================================================== | This message is subject to the restrictions of The Electronic | |Communications Privacy Act of 1986, Public Law 99-508, as amended.| ====================================================================.MAIL FROM:MAILFROM:FROMZVONA@ai.ai.mit.eduZVONA@ai.ai.mit.eduRCPT@ILX  TO:RCPTTO:TOZVONA@ai.ai.mit.eduDATADATAReceived: from ai.ai.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id ac01672; 1 Apr 90 17:43 EDTDate: Sun, 1 Apr 90 16:31:44 EDTFrom: David Chapman Subject: stuffsTo: SIBUN@cs.umass.educc: ZVONA%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.lcs.mit.eduIn-reply-to: Msg of Fri 30 Mar 90 16:07 EST from Penni Message-ID: <716653.900401.ZVONA@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>Bawden and I debugged AI.AI, so I'm on the net again. No mail hasbeen lost (I'm pretty sure). You mean send my letter via email and say I'll send paper and vita if he's interested? First name is....Richard?Right. It occurred to me that Guha is on bug--I hope he is not offended by my post but maybe instead had his memory jolted or whatever.Hadn't thought of that... Yeah.I'm glad to see you hacking! Something I've never seen before,actually. Erica and I had dinner Friday. She told me that she wasn't veryinterested in sex with me any more because I seemed blocked to it. Iagreed that I was and that I thought her feeling was sensible. She and I are going to climb Monadnock tomorrow or the day after ifthe weather behaves itself. (Erica, Friday, in the rain: ``March camein like a lion;[9 L  and is going out like a bucket of piss.'')Rebecca and I got together for a couple of hours yesterday. It wasfun to talk to her. I also got her off, which was fun, but definitelynot any big deal for either of us.As for other women, the one I was planning to have a fling with hasfallen for someone else, so that seems a lot less likely; the one Iwas planning to do just s/m with turned me down; and I haven't yettalked to the one I'm planning to just make out with.Why I'm upset with you. It started with just seeing too much of youlast week. The other thing was resentment building gradually over thelast couple of weeks of your anger u] with me for not wanting to livewith you. And finally, there's a bunch of issues that I'vedeliberately been putting off thinking about until my thesis is done.It's not done yet, but it's close enough that I can't work on it now(it's waiting only on BJG's OK). So I've started thinking aboutthose things, and they are making me feel quite negative about you.I'm not in a mood to be communicative about them yet -- nor, indeed,am I sure it'll be useful to communicate about it at all. Sorry about this. I know that you weren't expecting it. 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"Ags,~g *~l8 `)uanguage Inc. I recently found that Emily Prager has a column in _Penthouse_. Mighty weird! <_Jym_>  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 03:23:53 EST Received: from apple.com by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa16493; 30 Mar 90 3:20 EST Received: by apple.com (5.61/25-eef) id AA10837; Thu, 29 Mar 90 23:50:56 -0800 for Received: by mrspoc.transact.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.6) id ; Thu, 29 Mar 90 23:47 PST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 90 23:47 PST To: Sexual Politics Su? mbject: The `Men' and `Women' columns of Playboy From: Kayvan Sylvan We have a subscription to Playboy that has been mostly unused. After the first two of three issues, the Playboys stacked up (many unopened, in their original opaque plastic). Tonight I went through and read the several of the back-to-back `Men' and `Women' columns. Gods, it's hysterical (or sad). It struck me as two three year olds pushing each other back and forth at the playground... The `Men' column keeps talking about `Those Women' and how `We men need to stick together' and `verbal self defense' with a whole lot of a?9aNsnti-woman barbs and such thrown in while the `Women' column did basically the same thing to `Those evil horrible men'... It would be funny if it weren't sad... ---Kayvan | Kayvan Sylvan @ Transact Software, Inc. -*- Los Altos, CA (415) 961-6112 | | Internet: kayvan@{mrspoc.Transact.com, eris.berkeley.edu, largo.ig.com} | | UUCP: ...!{apple,pyramid,bionet,mips}!mrspoc!kayvan "Imagine Cute Saying" |  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 29 Mar 90 05:06:48 EST Received: from apple.com by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa24469; 29 Mar 90 5:00 EST Received: by apple.com (5.61/25-eef) id AA15669; Thu,@_ 29 Mar 90 01:56:53 -0800 for From: nli!jym@apple.com Received: by nli.com (3.2/nli-uucp1.0) id AA02270; Wed, 28 Mar 90 22:38:16 PST Received: from nlp14.nli.com (nlp8.nli.com) by nlp3.nli.com (4.0/nli-gw1.0) id AA16757; Wed, 28 Mar 90 22:37:15 PST Received: by nlp14.nli.com (4.0/NLI1.0) id AA03512; Wed, 28 Mar 90 22:37:46 PST Date: Wed, 28 Mar 90 22:37:46 PST Message-Id: <9003290637.AA03512@nlp14.nli.com> To: sexual-politics@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Dental Epilogue Organization: Natural Language Inc. I wasn't expecting to write this. The quest was over, after all; but apparently events haven't been informed o~Uf this. So, just when you thought it was safe to go back to the orthodontist, here's . . . The Quest For Dental Dams Part IV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (For the folks at home just tuning in, I quested for dental dams, and it took three whole episodes. My S.O. had read about some- thing called the "suck, pop" cunnilingus technique in a lesbian sex magazine, and it looked like fun. Hence the quest) (Some folks have expressed interest in the technique. The maga- zine didn't elaborate, but it's part of an ongoing heroic effort to eroticize safer sex, by elevating the dental dam into the re8Walm of sex toys. Basically you suck the dental dam into your mouth and then let it go, rocking the "man in the boat" around. I have no idea why people call the clitoris a man in a boat. Obviously there's nothing male about it, but then again, "woman in the boat" would recurse infinitely.) Sometimes things get slow at work and we talk about sex. Okay, so we talk about sex even if things aren't slow, but they have been slow lately. Yesterday we discussed lubricants, particularly flavorless ones that don't dissolve latex. I recalled a sample of something called "astroglide" that I had piM/acked up a while back, which seems to fill the bill. So today I was strolling home from work. I started crossing a street just as the light changed, and there I was on the median. The line of cars in front of me started to move, and suddenly someone tossed a small package out of their car. It landed about a yard away from me. It didn't look like litter; I picked it up and opened it. What should I see but a sample of "astroglide." I am not making this up. Inside was also two latex gloves, a pamphlet, and three dental dams! It was a safe sex kit for lesbians. The dams we'd found before---at t"n"he end of the quest---were yellow and looked a lot like individually-wrapped processed cheese slices. These dams were colored blue, pink, and lavender--- something for everybody, I guess; and they're flavored! The moral of our story? I dunno. Follow your quests, I guess, and ye shall receive; even if it's tossed at you from a passing car. <_Jym_>  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 25 Mar 90 15:38:39 EST Received: from media-lab.media.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa20104; 25 Mar 90 15:34 EST Received: by media-lab (5.57/4.8) id AA04895; Sun, 25 Mar 90 15:35:19 ESP<-TT Datexas.edu by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA08698; Sun, 1 Apr 90 12:35:56 EDT Received: from earth.cs.utexas.edu by cs.utexas.edu (5.61/1.54) id AA27102; Sun, 1 Apr 90 11:35:46 -0500 Posted-Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 11:35:40 CDT Message-Id: <9004011635.AA07193@earth.cs.utexas.edu> Received: by earth.cs.utexas.edu (5.59/1.4-Client) id AA07193; Sun, 1 Apr 90 11:35:41 CDT From: tshsu@cs.utexas.edu (Tsan-Sheng Hsu) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 11:35:40 CDT X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.5.6 6/30/89) To: bug-gcc@prep.ai.mit.edu Subject: Sorry... About my original posting og the bug in gcc, >Path: cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.oK,hio-state.edu!CS.UTEXAS.EDU!tshsu >From: tshsu@CS.UTEXAS.EDU (Tsan-Sheng Hsu) >Newsgroups: gnu.gcc.bug >Subject: bug in gcc >Message-ID: <9004010359.AA06558@earth.cs.utexas.edu> >Date: 1 Apr 90 03:59:43 GMT >Sender: daemon@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu >Distribution: gnu >Organization: GNUs Not Usenet I guess I include the wrong file in the original post. My question should be "Is statement `-(i++);' equivalent to `i++; i = -i;' or `i = -i; i++;' ?". I thought it is the the formal one, but it seems that it is the latter case. I am sorry about the posting. Thanks for the help from David Keppel and Michael Tiemann. ==TSH-` F FAILNET-ORIGIN<716660.900401@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>EDNOSHOW~jHELO AI.AI.MIT.EDU MAIL FROM:<@AI.AI.MIT.EDU,@REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU:tshsu@CS.UTEXAS.EDU> QUIT ;U?~Z%@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu:gwpoulos@athena.mit.educz@ai.ai.mit.edudigex@ai.ai.mit.edumtd@ai.ai.mit.eduXsxENET-MAIL-FROM-HOST:40700015044 RETURN-PATH:@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu:gwpoulos@athena.mit.edu TO:"cz@ai.ai.mit.edu TO:"digex@ai.ai.mit.edu TO:"mtd@ai.ai.mit.edu TEXT;-1 Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 18:21:31 EDT Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa03222; 1 Apr 90 18:19 EDT Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA01273; Sun, 1 Apr 90 10:55:07 EDT Received: from E40-008-9.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA08137; Sun, 1 Apr 90 05:19:07 EDT Received: by E40-008-9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23930; Sun, 1 Apr 90 05:19:0'K&mGx3 -0400 Message-Id: <9004010919.AA23930@E40-008-9.MIT.EDU> To: kjc@cs.rutgers.edu, elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: what the heck ... In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 31 Mar 90 00:27:31 -0500. <9003310527.AA25042@porthos.rutgers.edu> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 90 05:19:02 EDT From: "George W. Poulos" (aka Cpt. Caveman) > From: kjc@cs.rutgers.edu > To: elbows@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU > Subject: what the heck ... > > is The BoneFone (TM)? > >kelly Hi Kelly, The BoneFone was something that looked like an airplane's life preserver with a pair of headphone. It was basically a radio (zehvwxEpossibly even a tape player, I dont remember). The Idea was that you would strap this thing on and the sound you hear over the headphones would also vibrate into your bones in the same way that loud music would sound if it were being played live or over some big speakers. So you get the feel of the real thing. I always just thought it looked silly. I wonder how many of those things they sold? george fit a@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu:gwpoulos@athena.mit.eduCZ@ai.ai.mit.eduDIGEX@ai.ai.mit.eduMTD@ai.ai.mit.eduReceived: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.Erested?Second: HJ, good luck on your new ventures#6%ex with the same sex.About your friend, I'm not sure what the best course would bebut I'd reccomend trying to be seductive. Camping trips ordrinks around the fire that sort of thing.Third: Donita. Best wishes on your continued recovery. Itsimportant to go on these trips of self-discovery. If youare interested, you may want to look into bio-feedback andacu-puncture. Both of those may be very helpful to you.I don't know about cheseapeake, bu there is a big acupunctureacupressure community here in DC.Well, I'd like to say that I think this group serves as agood sounding board and support organization. I just recentlychatted with a g2-xEirl who had made a posting onto a.s.b abouther lifestyle and was subsequently harrassed by some people.Other people in the public forum have had that problem. Herein this group one can be much more open without worrying aboutmindless harrassment.well take care allRoger-- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ "If ever you want to touch the hand and the heart of God @ @ Almighty, you can do it through the body of someone you @ @ love. Anytime. Anywhere. Without no middleman." @ @ -"Godbody" @ @ X':1`x @ @ mail.alternates @ @ submissions/questions: alternates@binbi.vanc.wa.us @ @ Editor: Hank Buurman hanker@binbi.vanc.wa.us @ @ Archivist: Jim Roach jim@dsinc.dsi.com @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Copyright 1990 Hank & Deb Buurman. All rights reserved. ==================================================================== | This message is subject to the restrictions of The Electronic | |Communications Privacy Act of 1986, Public Law 99-508, as ame[xEnded.| ====================================================================.MAIL FROM:MAILFROM:FROMZVONA@ai.ai.mit.eduZVONA@ai.ai.mit.eduRCPT TO:RCPTTO:TOZVONA@ai.ai.mit.eduDATADATAReceived: from ai.ai.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id ac01672; 1 Apr 90 17:43 EDTDate: Sun, 1 Apr 90 16:31:44 EDTFrom: David Chapman Subject: stuffsTo: SIBUN@cs.umass.educc: ZVONA%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.lcs.mit.eduIn-reply-to: Msg of Fri 30 Mar 90 16:07 EST from Penni Message-ID: <716653.900401.ZVN1,CxONA@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>Bawden and I debugged AI.AI, so I'm on the net again. No mail hasbeen lost (I'm pretty sure). You mean send my letter via email and say I'll send paper and vita if he's interested? First name is....Richard?Right. It occurred to me that Guha is on bug--I hope he is not offended by my post but maybe instead had his memory jolted or whatever.Hadn't thought of that... Yeah.I'm glad to see you hacking! Something I've never seen before,actually. Erica and I had dinner Friday. She told me that she wasn't veryinterested in sex with me any more because I seemed blocked to it. Iagreed that I was and that I tKVxEhought her feeling was sensible. She and I are going to climb Monadnock tomorrow or the day after ifthe weather behaves itself. (Erica, Friday, in the rain: ``March camein like a lion and is going out like a bucket of piss.'')Rebecca and I got together for a couple of hours yesterday. It wasfun to talk to her. I also got her off, which was fun, but definitelynot any big deal for either of us.As for other women, the one I was planning to have a fling with hasfallen for someone else, so that seems a lot less likely; the one Iwas planning to do just s/m with turned me down; and I haven't yettalked to the one I'm planning to just ma}1p(xke out with.Why I'm upset with you. It started with just seeing too much of youlast week. The other thing was resentment building gradually over thelast couple of weeks of your anger with me for not wanting to livewith you. And finally, there's a bunch of issues that I'vedeliberately been putting off thinking about until my thesis is done.It's not done yet, but it's close enough that I can't work on it now(it's waiting only on BJG's OK). So I've started thinking aboutthose things, and they are making me feel quite negative about you.I'm not in a mood to be communicative about them yet -- nor, indeed,am I sure it'll be useful to'@KxRE communicate about it at all. Sorry about this. I know that you weren't expecting it. 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Mon 2 Apr 4:00 pm Aiken Computation Laboratory 101, Harvard University Speaker: Baruch Awerbuch Department of Mathematics and Laboratory for Computer Science Massachusetts Institute of Technology "DYNAMIC NETWORKS ARE AS FAST AS STATIC NETWORKS" Host: Harvard University Center for Research in Computing Technology Wed 4 Apr 4:00 pm Room 135, 111 Cummington St., Boston Speaker: Richard Brower, Boston University "Parallel Multigrid Cluster Finding Algorithms on the Connection Machine" Host: Boston University Dept. of Computer Science  MSG: *MSG R#s 7541 Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 20 Mar 90 19:52:53 EST Received: from flash.bellcore.com by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa16061; 20 Mar 90 19:49 EST Received: by flash.bellcore.com (5.58/1.1) id AA04696; Tue, 20 Mar 90 17:11:52 EST Date: Tue, 20 Mar 90 17:11:52 EST From: Don Walker Message-Id: <9003202211.AA04696@flash.bellcore.com> To: aimag@sumex-aim.stanford.edu, arpanet-bboards@mc.lcs.mit.edu, bobrow@xerox.com, comp-ai@ucbvax.berkeley.edu, cscsi%noah.arc.ca@relay.cs.net, fineart%ecs.umass.edu@relay.cs.net, fj-ai%etl.jp@relay.cs.net,# humanist@utoronto.bitnet, imd7vaw@uclamvs.bitnet, ir-l@ucc+$,*O1++ "9XB,?+6 :x,*O1,~ &+,6 +:x + :#S,6 +!:`$)!:`$) B`$)Dm,$, 3 ` D7 $ `ZD$g $az ;`zD@D$A`Dob2a+  D8 2a+ ,^  (PO ,2\`>c"* *(+>Dob2a+  (P 2`>c7`@+>,*O`$q4D0r0dO`>cR$m,~4B0r@#}$s)".$ 0D1;R1DRD`$q,$]+ *x`!0`4B$F!0@pDq+$F2bD9`>^,$XDo ?2a+ ((5h$MA D: F BDu=h$PADu+$S!*.D;r+$Q=($Q PU0  (P3'`>cDw*"/`@ D<&"QDx,$Y[x.$D,~Dob2a+ # .R M`$81z+$}D #$=U$`@+%4L%4X%[C`%A`%=1Z+% 6 +%6 +%1Z+%0Z`$dG $#$%`%9`@%=. 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This user is assumed to be a commercial customer, looking for a single, simple, standardized launch. No block buys of vehicles were assumed, nor any new developments. No upper stage costs are included. Payload integration and the minimum necessary launch services costs have been included in each cost estimate. Wherever possible, costs have been based upon actual quotes from commercial offerings. Costs for the Shu'pf:%,sttle were not based upon NASA numbers, and are based upon actual shuttle costs, not the price charged to commercial users (which may be lower). While every attempt has been made to keep the assumptions and comparison constant across the different launch vehicle, any of the cost numbers can be varied +/- 10% due to slight differences in accounting (ie, year of dollars, minor additional services, etc.) DELTA II: The Delta II costs are based upon various published sources for the price of a commercial Delta 7925 (Delta II) launch. Sources used include: McDonnell/Douglas company literature, Aviation Week, Defense K#,Daily, DoD Budget requests, and Flight International). The single vehicle contract cost of between $40 and 43 million is a commercial contract cost which includes system and launch integration services, without an upper stage cost. Although the launch is for a single payload, it was assumed the launch vehicle order would follow the current Delta pricing policy that piggybacks additional production units onto the Air Force Delta II orders which allow for a continuous production line. The Delta II performance into LEO is 11.1 klb. Based upon the vehicle contract price range, the cargo cost to LEO is between $3603 RMGo4-sand 3874 per pound. ATLAS-CENTAUR: Based upon published Atlas G + Centaur Data, the single vehicle commercial contract cost, including launch and integration sercies, but no upper stage, ranges from $46 to 55 million per launch. Sources of data used here include: General Dynamics company literature, Aviation Week, Aerospace Daily, Space International, and Space Business News. As with the Delta II, the launch vehicle is assumed to be a single, additional order that is part of an existing production run. (Current contract data indicates that if the vehicle were a part of a government block buy, the cost coul[yM-d be reduced to $450 million for an 11 vehicle production run with no contractual oversight and no performance penalties.) Using the LEO performance of 12.3 Klb, the price range yields a cost to LEO of $3740 to 4471 per pound into LEO. (continued ) -- Wales Larrison ...!{dhw68k,zardoz,lawnet,conexch}!ofa123!Wales.Larrison Wales.Larrison@ofa123.FIDONET.ORG 714 544-0934 2400/1200/300 ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 90 17:48:41 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: P鵇.sayload Status for 03/29/90 (Forwarded) Daily Status/KSC Payload Management and Operations 03-29-90. - STS-31R HST (at Pad-B) - Preps for HST transfer into the payload bay were completed yesterday. The actual transfer will occur today. - STS-35 ASTRO-1 (at OPF) - End to end testing was completed second shift yesterday. RAAB removal and replacement was completed on third shift today. RAAB retest is active and will continue through first shift today followed by igloo cover installation on second shift. STS-40 SLS-1 (at O&C) - 7Wy. Preps for rack and floor installation into the module were worked yesterday and will continue today. - STS-42 IML-1 (at O&C) - Racks 3, 4 and 7 staging operations were worked yesterday. Racks 3, 4 and 11 staging activities along with module clamp inspections are scheduled for today. - STS-45 (Atlas-1)- Pallet joint kit installation on frame 4 will be worked today. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 90 16:10:00 GMT From: network.ucsd.edu!hp-sdd!apollo!rehrauer@ucsd.edu (Steve Rehrauer) Subject: Re: Will we lose another orbiter? [ɓ5O/s I read sci.space infrequently, so forgive me if this is old hat. ] We've lost one shuttle, and I'm sure it's likely that we'll eventually lose another. My question is, after N years of operating these beasts, have we (meaning NASA, I guess) learned how to build a better shuttle? Has Challenger's replacement "evolved" in any way? More importantly, how much has the shuttle program taught us about building the true next generation of orbiter, be it NASP or whatever? (I.e.: a manned system that delivers some combination of lower payload-delivery cost, greater reliability, less-stringent maintenance, etc than do the shuttle/FwU/s.) -- >>"Aaiiyeeee! 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DeJulio" To: mit-eddie!gordon!henrik@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: Re: uVax I Cc: elbows@bloom-beacon.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <9004010439.AA06606@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> References: <9004010439.AA06606@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> Robert E. Seastrom writes: > You're sure? PDP-11 compat. mode on the Uvax I is implemented in > software... Hum. My hardware manual says that PDP-11 compatability mode isn't implemented *at* *all* on the uVax I...  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 S65dVApr 90 17:48:08 EDT Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa01627; 1 Apr 90 17:41 EDT Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA01564; Sun, 1 Apr 90 17:29:52 EDT Received: from M37-318-7.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14087; Sun, 1 Apr 90 15:09:28 EDT From: lmb@athena.mit.edu Received: by M37-318-7.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA07653; Sun, 1 Apr 90 15:09:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 15:09:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9004011909.AA07653@M37-318-7.MIT.EDU> To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Subject: re: naming machines how about english pronouns? i we you Me*Vhe she it they me us him her this that etc.... and then you could expand to other languages... japanese: anata, kanojo, etc. german: ich, du, er, es, sie, wir, etc. french: je, tu, il, elle, on, etc. and so on.... (if this isn't a good idea, would someone please explain why? i know very little about naming machines, other than what i've seen on this list, and would like to know more...including how one tells the machine itself what its name is...) leah  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 17:47:52 EDT Received: by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id ah01588; 1 Apr 90 17:41 WEDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa15031; 1 Apr 90 4:18 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA03994; Sun, 1 Apr 90 01:18:42 EST Received: from GARP.MIT.EDU by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AA03990; Sun, 1 Apr 90 01:18:25 EST Received: by garp.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.61/4.7 id ; Sun, 1 Apr 90 01:18:18 -0500 Received: by idr.cambridge.ma.us (smail2.5) id AA17146; 30 Mar 90 17:09:18 EST (Fri) To: elbows@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: name that machine Message-Id: <9003301709.AA17146@idr.cambridge.ma.us> Date: 30 Mar DW90 17:09:18 EST (Fri) From: L Sian Gramates you could name the server "bugtown" and name the stations after Matt Howarth characters: ron_post russ_post savage_henry bosch nash_the_slash the_lord_cthulu jerri caroline1 caroline2 caroline3 caroline4 etc. (idr metastasizes!) -sian (wants to be ron post when she grows up)  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 17:47:31 EDT Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa01609; 1 Au In-Reply-To: *Hobbit*'s message of Fri, 30 Mar 1990 18:00:18 EST Subject: houses I want an Island. With pleanty of room to put a house *and* a boat! -Don  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 18:51:58 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa25792; 30 Mar 90 18:44 EST Received: by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU id AA28355; Fri, 30 Mar 90 18:24:07 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 18:24:07 EST From: Jonathan Coburn Message-Id: <9003302324.AA28355@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: hobbit@pyrite.rutgers.edu Cc: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: *Hobbit*'s message of Fri, 30 Mar 1990 18:00:18 ESm %;XT Subject: houses Of course, I could use the Bridgeport for an anchor. corwin  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 18:51:51 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa25791; 30 Mar 90 18:44 EST Received: by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU id AA28352; Fri, 30 Mar 90 18:23:48 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 18:23:48 EST From: Jonathan Coburn Message-Id: <9003302323.AA28352@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: hobbit@pyrite.rutgers.edu Cc: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: *Hobbit*'s message of Fri, 30 Mar 1Y990 18:00:18 EST Subject: houses No, I really don't want a house. I'm sure one of at least one of y'all will have a shop that I can use should the need arise. corwin  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 18:51:43 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa25779; 30 Mar 90 18:44 EST Received: from lagos.ee.washington.edu by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA28367; Fri, 30 Mar 90 18:29:04 EST Received: from [128.95.31.43] by lagos.ee.washington.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 90 15:20:05 pst Received: by stutz.ee5) Y.washington.edu (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA13575; Fri, 30 Mar 90 15:28:16 PST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 15:28:16 PST From: THE Diana Walker Message-Id: <9003302328.AA13575@stutz.ee.washington.edu> To: lmb@athena.mit.edu Cc: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: lmb@athena.mit.edu's message of Fri, 30 Mar 90 11:57:59 -0500 <9003301657.AA10777@M66-080-11.MIT.EDU> Subject: houses Nah. I'm **YEARS** off from even conceivably being able to afford to contemplate thinking about buying one.... -=diana  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 18:17:16 EST Received: fro|@QZ Zm GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa24397; 30 Mar 90 18:11 EST Received: from pyrite.rutgers.edu by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA28337; Fri, 30 Mar 90 18:00:07 EST Received: by pyrite.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.3/3.05) id AA00491; Fri, 30 Mar 90 18:00:19 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 1990 18:00:18 EST From: *Hobbit* To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Subject: houses Message-Id: You do too want a house, Corwin. Where are you going to put the Bridgeport on a boat, let alone the rest of the shop? _H*  Received: from \2)gZlcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 17:54:25 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa23749; 30 Mar 90 17:49 EST Received: by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU id AA28298; Fri, 30 Mar 90 17:31:17 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 17:31:17 EST From: Jonathan Coburn Message-Id: <9003302231.AA28298@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: sw0y+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: lmb@athena.mit.edu, elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: stephen wadlow's message of Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:16:08 -0500 (EST) <0a4u9cy00ZJ9MU4lpm@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: houses I do not want a house. I want a boat. corwin.e[  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 17:54:18 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa23663; 30 Mar 90 17:46 EST Received: by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU id AA28303; Fri, 30 Mar 90 17:35:06 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 17:35:06 EST From: Jonathan Coburn Message-Id: <9003302235.AA28303@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: KARYN@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov Cc: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: KARYN@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov's message of Fri, 30 Mar 1990 16:23:07 EST <900330162307.20e028fd@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV> Subject: Letter from a vendor of word processing adJ[:[dd-on s/w That's VERBATIM. corwin  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 17:30:11 EST Received: from pyrite.rutgers.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa22794; 30 Mar 90 17:25 EST Sender: /dev/null@localhost Date: Sat, 10 Mar 90 09:03 EST From: "Mark H. 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To my mind, the term "fundies" is indeed a derogatory term-- it fosters and perpetuates ignorance-- and, as long as we allow ourselves to think that way, we may very well deprive ourselves of many fellows. Is that what we're all about? I didn't think so when I signed up. End of oratory; I'll tear down my soapbox now. But don't worry... I can always build another one. :-) Blessed Be! -----------Sionna------------ ----(slh@emx.utexas.edu)----- -----------------------------%){d- Message-ID: <9003301505.AA15642@amara.amara.uucp> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 10:05:48 EST From: Tom Doehne To: Paganism%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@Mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Fundie The 'ie' or 'y' ending is a diminutive. John is 'Johnny' when a child, etc. The term 'fundie' is therefore a mildly derogatory term. I will still use it, though: fundamentalist is too much a mouthful. Perhaps it's appropriate to always modify the term with an adjective, so we distinguish between narrow-minded intolerant fundamentalists and other fundamentalists. I can't think of any good, short ones, though. Anyone hhAe ave some ideas? -- Tom Doehne tom%amara.UUCP@mailgw.cc.umich.edu ..sharkey!amara!tom ------------------------------ Message-ID: <638830974/kee@A.NL.CS.CMU.EDU> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 1990 16:02-EST From: Marion.Kee@a.nl.cs.cmu.edu To: Paganism%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@Mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Subject: `fundie' I do think that the term "fundie" tends to acquire belittling overtones from context, and while I will lay a great deal of those undesireable connotations directly at the door of the fundamentalists themselves, still there are several points that I think most of us miss about the whole set of issues. So I'm going to lay tVUehe ones I see out here, and let you decide for yourselves how this might relate to the question of the term "fundie" and its overtones for us. (It doesn't necessarily have any direct relation, I guess, but I feel like it does. Because these words have a cloud of connotations hovering about them, whatever new perceptions we get about "fundies" will somehow affect the connotations of the word itself.) The first (and ought to be the most glaring) is that there exist people who are pagan-identified who are equally blind and intolerant towards opinions which differ from their own. Several people have mentioned this point asf lately so I won't belabor it. But I will say that it shows that, however highly we may think of our ideas, exposure to these ideas does not automatically change a person inclined to be intolerant, into a person inclined otherwise. The next point, which I say as one who has fundamentalist friends (and recently lost one because he discovered that I read Pagan-oriented publications), is that these people are HUMAN. They have human needs, desires and loves, and it often HURTS them to believe that people they care about are going to be eternally damned. Usually their own beliefs will end up blocking them from acting construD3Ufctively out of this pain, yet it's essential to understand that this is a real motivation for a lot of fundamentalists, even when the actions it produces are negative ones. Related to this last point is the fact that some non-trivial number of the fundamentalists I've had contact with really DO believe that God has a POLICY of punishing the larger community over the conduct of some few members of that community. (You may find it interesting to consider this issue historically in the light of a culture's need to control its minority members.) As a personal or community-supported belief, this means that the person who hoH q#g lds to it believes that persecution is NECESSARY for the good of all. Not surprisingly that person may feel inner conflict with such a belief, which in many cases probably just results, on the outside, in even more radical behavior. [In connection with this point, the U.S. Constitution explicitly protects the rights of minorities, and comes into direct conflict with this kind of religious dogma. If you don't belong to the ACLU, please consider the possibility of joining, in the light of this information.] The last point is that we need to keep in mind that what works for us, even though it works well for us, still canntgot possibly put us in possession of the Whole Truth About Reality. That means that we need to be flexible ourselves, open to new insights. A lot of us find it threatening to consider changing in this way; probably most of us do in one degree or another. But just because our views on reality are (in my opinion certainly) less distorted than the fundamentalist Christian views, doesn't mean they are not distorted. 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id AA16494; Fri, 30 Mar 90 11:07:52 PST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 11:07:52 PST Message-Id: <9003301907.AA16494@nlp9> To: sexual-politics@mc.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Kayvan Sylvan's message of Thu, 29 Mar 90 23:47 PST Subject: Re: The `Men' and `Women' columns of Playboy Organization: Natural Language Inc. I recently found that Emily Prager has a column in _Penthouse_. Mighty weird! <_Jym_>  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 14:27:18 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa14606; 30 Mar 90 14:19 EST Receg=xt@ived: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA27925; Fri, 30 Mar 90 14:10:24 EST Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:40:04 EST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from bethayres.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bethayres.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:37:20 -0500 (sgxuEST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.10.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.bethayres.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.bethayres.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:37:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu, lmb@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: houses In-Reply-To: <9003301710.AA10073@ky.ftp.com> References: <9003301710.AA10073@ky.ftp.com> Ah, no. I don't think I own a house. I don't think any of the current Pittsburgh elbows crowd owns a house. I live in one, thouҭxu@gh. -- DdJ  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 14:08:11 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa13889; 30 Mar 90 14:01 EST Received: from Ky.ftp.com by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA27908; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:54:19 EST Received: by ky.ftp.com id AA10561; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:54:26 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:54:26 EST From: Riki Beth Weiner Message-Id: <9003301854.AA10561@ky.ftp.com> To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu, lmb@athena.mit.edu, sw0y+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: houses I don't have a house. My parents have two ZQ]xvhouses, and no, not because they're divorced- they aren't. no, they were very lucky- the day before the stock market went CRASH in 1987, they'd taken their retirement-money- that-we're-trying-to-increase-by-playing-the-stock-market OUT of the market and put the down payment on a summer cottage in Maine. boy, were they glad they did the next day. this doesn't mean I don't want a house. I do. A very particular 3-story Victorian on Route 4 in Farmington, CT. It's got a mansard roof, a square tower in the center with fishscale shingles, nifty windows... well, I can keep dreaming, right? -Riki  Received: from lcs.mit. xv@edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 13:50:29 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:43:21 EST From: lcs Mail System (MMDF) Sender: mmdf@lcs.mit.edu Subject: Failed mail (msg.aa12690) To: CZ@ai.ai.mit.edu Message-ID: <9003301343.aa13071@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Your message could not be delivered to 'racers-request@hoosier.utah.edu (host: hoosier.utah.edu) (queue: smtp)' for the following reason: ' ... User unknown: No such file or directory' Your message follows: Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa12690; 30 FqxwMar 90 13:33 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:35:05 EST From: "Christopher R. Zach" Subject: Request to be added To: "racers-request@HOOSIER.UTAH.EDU"@MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Fri 30 Mar 90 00:18:28 EST from Mark Sirota Message-ID: <716326.900330.CZ@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> PLease add me to the Team.Net racers forum. Thank you CZ  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 13:44:20 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa13001; 30 Mar 90 13:41 EST Received: from porthos.ru<_'xjw@tgers.edu by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA27880; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:43 EST Received: by porthos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.3/3.05) id AA14876; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:40 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:40 EST From: kjc@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9003301832.AA14876@porthos.rutgers.edu> To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Subject: house? mouse? guess who's renting a house & populating it with 7 other folks come June 1st? Hahahahahaha!!! kjc p.s. anybody wanna live in New Brunswick? we got room for 2 in a double ...  {dGxxby EDDIE.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA12591; Fri, 30 Mar 90 21:08:06 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 21:08:06 EST From: "Robert E. Seastrom" Message-Id: <9003310208.AA12591@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> To: corwin@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Cc: KARYN@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov, elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Jonathan Coburn's message of Fri, 30 Mar 90 17:35:06 EST <9003302235.AA28303@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU> Subject: Letter from a vendor of word processing add-on s/w From: KARYN@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov ... VERBADUM ... From: corwin@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU (Jonathan Coburn) That's VERBATIM. Or, in the case of this so"xx@ftware package, maybe it should be VERBADUMB... ---Rob  Received: from REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 13065) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 31 Mar 90 22:42:25 EST Received: from AI.MIT.EDU by REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU via INTERNET with SMTP id 4619; 31 Mar 90 21:47:47 EST Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU ([18.70.0.223]) by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA01174; Sat, 31 Mar 90 21:20:25 EST Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA01276; Sat, 31 Mar 90 12:28:55 EST Received: from pyrite.rutgers.edu by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AA01264; Sat, 31 Mar 90 12:28:43 Eʘ~wxyST Received: by pyrite.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.3/3.05) id AA04817; Sat, 31 Mar 90 12:28:50 EST Date: Sat, 31 Mar 1990 12:28:49 EST From: *Hobbit* To: elbows@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: dinosaurs Message-Id: The idea might be there but they could go ahead and use it, with the change of SPELLING IT RIGHT. *.saur.wherever.edu... _H*  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 20:25:59 EST Received: from eagle.wesleyan.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa29487; 30 Mar 90 20:21 EST Date: 30-MAR-1990 20:†xy@14:41.03 From: JKLEIMAN@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Re: Welcome back! To: CZ%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <9003302021.aa29487@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Hi! Chicago was awfully boring, I spent almost the entire time doing homework, which may have been enough to pull me through the semester. I only have 2 classes to catch up in, now- as opposed to 4 out of 5. Why, why did I ever take 5 solids?! Oh well... It's good to be back on the east coast, though. We (me, leon marr, maybe bryant durrell) are heading to Rutgers next weekend, to hang out with rutgersites, etc. The weekend after that, of course, is᭫xz Balticon! That'll be fun, I'm looking forward to it. Will you be there? We're throwing tinymud parties every night, of course. Well, I'm off to my weekly Champions game. Enjoying yourself, all alone in the house, huh? Have fun! hope i see ya at balticon, jennifer  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 20:12:55 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa29085; 30 Mar 90 20:10 EST Received: from [129.133.10.10] by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP ?ggxz@ id AA28598; Fri, 30 Mar 90 20:01:00 EST Message-Id: <9003310101.AA28598@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU> Date: 30-MAR-1990 20:00:03.37 From: Mirth and Joy Subject: the DEAL To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu is: Zenith SuperSport286 1 720k drive internal 40 meg HD internal 2400 baud modem LCD (CGA or VGA, whichever is better, I forget) full-page display and a portable dot-matrix printer. Total weight: about 15 lbs., I think Total cost: $1000 My father's company, EBS, is currently using 40 of the above portables for telling the State of Illinois' employees about their emploMk֥x{yee benefits- they'll be finished with the computers around July, and then they're getting rid of them. So, they will have seen 4 months of fairly heavy use. Should I get one? Should I get -lots-? I don't know how many I can get, but I assume more than one. -jennifer  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 19:38:49 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa27580; 30 Mar 90 19:34 EST Received: from mimsy.umd.edu by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA28511; Fri, 30 Mar 90 19:20:43 EST Received: from tumtum.cs.umd.edu by mimsy.UMD.EDU (5.61/UMI%zDx8x{@ACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AA10837; Fri, 30 Mar 90 19:20:37 -0500 Received: by tumtum.cs.umd.edu (4.0/3.14) id AA11478; Fri, 30 Mar 90 19:16:34 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 19:16:34 EST From: Chris Daniel Return-Path: Message-Id: <9003310016.AA11478@tumtum.cs.umd.edu> To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Subject: more Next flamage I got it! No, not the computer....but the next best thing! A NeXT disk! It _finally_ came in, after a month's wait. 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'' F]KiD FILE 1:< QFind File Inhibit Write UInhibit Write > !* Proc yGhS$ KRX~%+>,7@'`9':$~!I!9GDPRQ( JI$8)BHqZp\!s* tJ;,);G 9&} haށ/94塠e[B.U oiQ"&pPpE0Y;ANA g'y x~$CHi'1glo1'@042@CT1L? ! t CPD )!z q! t&$fHJ0B7%%GSK0- @q}O_8%ّ:Pb0d0yIffxr pQ_V<y2E q6JuGk,CC M2Y E3I E3,CJ ;$HP8 GrGs,CW%po{@V9ѡWFC,E&I ev@K(GS,E&8M2Y IЩwBS,EJ}9 k@Q9Z.FS,GhEI.GsGs,GhY>=@%i͂Gs,Gh[M@( [H /I&h C$:ц^7F ,M?M7\XxOCB*PD ,MVpq6wGZcG[,Q E`W|ZaG,WeN q6L \G<,G;,W&eI9oG;,Yq6цY-F ,[>~9 MVp GTpGS,]l\`q6 Gc,]F@q6]Dm Gc,]F@q7RqGc,e@[pN0sGZ^hG[,gVy7q6c+Gk,gVy7q6{Gk,i&w"[ERC7ES,2/q6fe(b.bG,톛?_W&: oHJOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa01975; 1 Apr 90 17:53 EDT Received: from gemini.arc.nasa.gov by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA01601; Sun, 1 Apr 90 17:44:21 EDT Received: Sun, 1 Apr 90 13:48:29 PDT by gemini.arc.nasa.gov (5.57/1.2) Message-Id: <9004012048.AA25339@gemini.arc.nasa.gov> Received: from nssdca.dnet by ames.dnet with MAIL-11 (utk-mail11d v1.5); Sun, 1 Apr 90 14:08:32 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 14:08:32 PDT From: Juke Box Victim X-Vmsmail-To: NSSDCA::AMES::"elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu",XRARP Subject: VMS Maile$B3Wcyrs To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu First of all, please note that I'm not getting any mail through SDCDCL, which is the routing on my elbows subscription... I'm only getting things CC'ed to me with other paths (i.e. responses to mail I sent *out* through other paths.) My personal VMS editor is TPU. MAIL calls TPU for me, with my own personal section file, when I go into edit mode. If you can only get MAIL to call EDT for you, either a) you haven't set up MAIL right, or b) your Emacs isn't set up right to be called by other programs. Check the logical name "MAIL$EDIT" (Mine is set to "CALLABLE_TPU") Under VMS 5.x M(r2+:AIL has the ability to list messages in a folder selected on subject and sender. - Aliza  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 17:48:44 EDT Received: by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id ad01629; 1 Apr 90 17:41 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa21654; 1 Apr 90 7:33 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA11786; Sun, 1 Apr 90 06:34:06 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AA11780; Sun, 1 Apr 90 06:33:54 EDT Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for elbows@bloom-beacon.mit.!Pwyedu; Sat, 31 Mar 90 11:48:33 EST Received: via switchmail; Sat, 31 Mar 90 11:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from glenlyon.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 31 Mar 90 11:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from glenlyon.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 31 Mar 90 11:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.10.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.glenlyon.andrew.cmu.edu.sun3.35 via MS.5.6.glenlyon.andrew.cmu.edu.sun3_35; Sat, 31 Mar 90 11:47:28 -0500tUU#0 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 31 Mar 90 11:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" To: elbows@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: Re: One vote for VMS!! In-Reply-To: <9003292206.AA07333@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU> References: <9003292206.AA07333@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU> One Nation Under A Groove writes: > One hearty "yes" vote for VMS, especially 5.whatever-they-re-up-to-now. It > rocks. There's a problem with this. I've got a uVax I, with 3 meg of RAM and a single RD52. Nothing later than VMS5.1A runs on the thing (I'm tHc=zyold), and that would take more disk space than I'll have. If I run VMS, it'd be VMS4.7 I think. Would that make you say "no" to VMS? -- DdJ PS: I'm looking forward to having that VAX Fortran compiler...  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 17:48:35 EDT Received: by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id ac01629; 1 Apr 90 17:41 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa21292; 1 Apr 90 7:22 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA09229; Sun, 1 Apr 90 04:52:41 EDT Received: from EDDIE.MIT.EDU by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AAJRlcm09221; Sun, 1 Apr 90 04:52:12 EDT Received: by EDDIE.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA14337; Sun, 1 Apr 90 03:50:39 EST Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 03:50:39 EST From: "Robert E. Seastrom" Message-Id: <9004010850.AA14337@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> To: dd26+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: mit-eddie!gordon!henrik@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, elbows@bloom-beacon.mit.edu In-Reply-To: "Douglas F. DeJulio"'s message of Sun, 1 Apr 90 03:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: uVax I From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" Robert E. Seastrom writes: You're sure? PDP-11 compZ1]1yat. mode on the Uvax I is implemented in software... Hum. My hardware manual says that PDP-11 compatability mode isn't implemented *at* *all* on the uVax I... I'm reasonably sure that you get the RSX mode under VMS. Someone want to double check that for me? I thought that if it wasn't in hardware (e.g. microcode) then it was emulated in vax assembler... ---Rob  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 17:48:27 EDT Received: by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id ab01629; 1 Apr 90 17:41 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mi&t.edu id aa21054; 1 Apr reachable from any X.25 network, not necessarily just Telenet): British Telecom Master Clock, 23421920100605 Japan, VENUS-P Master Clock, 44082006004 >The first is expressed in GMT; the latter gives GMT and JST. The BT Clock gave me "BST: British Summer Time." I suspect it provides UTC in the winter, which it may erroneously call GMT. GMT no longer exists; in fact, no British Government organization is in the official timekeeping business anymore. UTC is maintained in Paris (where it never represents the local time). The DTE for the VENUS-P Clock was out of order just now. FWy/john [Moderator's Note: Actually, you may want to try the Japan connection a different way. The address (from Telenet) @C 0440820060xx is a master address for the testing center. 'xx' can be appended or omitted, where 'xx' is two digits from 00 through 04. 00 is an echo test; the only way to exit is by typing ECHF or by getting Telenet back on the line. 01 generates a test message sent to you. 02 gets a help message. 04 is the Master Clock. Simply entering 0440820060,NAME,PWD puts you on line in menu mode, with the choices as shown above. Direct entry to any category by adding the final two digits bypasses the menu@t. PT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 90 20:29:41 EST From: "James R. Celoni, S.J." Subject: Surcharge-free Card Calls on Metro.<>ITT With all the talk about the per-call surcharges for Sprint's FONcard, the MCI Card (except from "around town"), the AT&T Card, and BOC cards (for intralata calls or accepted by a long-distance carrier (or AOS) for interlata calls), I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Metromedia<>ITT's "Preferred Calling Card": It is surcharge-free everywhere it is accessible via 950-0ITT, and the per-minute rates are their direct-dial rates (which last G?Bytime I checked were very slightly lower than the Big Three's). It also works on BOC slide-card-in pay phones. At no extra charge you can get a card that lets you enter three-digit account codes; then the bill is sorted by code (but all slide-card-in calls are grouped under account code 000). Metro.<>ITT's calling card has no monthly minimum, fee, or catches; they might even still have their first-card-call-free-up-to-$5 promotion. (OK, there's a 75-cent surcharge if you use 800/ EASY-ITT access, but in all my travels in the five years I've had the card, I've always been able to use 950, even in Applegate, CA.) I've found transmission quality fine for voice and data; you can check it out via 10ITT+1+phone number. (But if you dial 10itt+ZERO+phone number and enter your BOC card number after the bong, you'll pay a surcharge, just like you would if you used 10ATT, 10222, or 10333.) Metro.<>ITT's customer service is good: last year they set up some 100 separate accounts for us, all with different card numbers and billing addresses, with no hassle. [For our dial-1 service we subscribe to their "Custom WATS", the winner for our usage pattern ($300-1000/mo), though we now supplement it with MCI Primetime and MCI Supersaver since we call a T'-Iylot on evenings and Saturdays and have a large residence with a PBX that can route based on time of day and digits dialed. By the way, we just told MCI on which lines we wanted what plan but didn't change default carriers; the PBX chooses a trunk from the appropriate group and prefixes the call with 10222 or 10488. The total minimum is $8/mo for Primetime and $5/mo for Supersaver, even though we have three lines for each. The afternoon it took me to edit the routing tables has meant big $avings! But I digress ... Last year ITT sold their USTS long-distance service (including American Network which they'd acquired thkAse year before) to Metromedia, and I've noticed no changes since then except that the bill is on smaller paper and their sales/service number changed to 800/ 275-0100 (M-F 8am-9pm EST). I don't think they're aggressively pursuing the residential market; I bet their rates would be higher if they advertised as much as the Big Three and had a larger proportion of low-usage accounts. Disclaimer: I'm just a satisfied customer. James R. Celoni, S.J., celoni@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 90 20:30:30 EST From: "James R. Celoni, S.J." Subject: 911 ˱yFor Emergency From PBX If you have a PBX with automatic route selection, allowing "911" to reach the emergency folks is no problem even if 9 is the initial digit for trunk calling: just program the digit string "11" to outpulse the digits dialed with an initial "9". (Since some will dial "9-911" instead, "9-911" should just seize a trunk and just send out the "911".) And PBXs with ARS will often let you allow these calls even from "restricted" phones (those you don't want to place local calls). The only hitch is that if you set up the switch to give dialtone after the initial "9", then the "911" caller will hear it beyGtween the "9" and "11". Too bad t ܧx$''''''''.@$/c@$/m''}'''''''''''''@#uJ'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''ffffffffffffffffffffffffff'''';?xd@#F{ffff~f?@$%@#pR@#ea#<.=i=/Y f f f@#mn@$NPM[HPE@#j @#xG@%@%@#ve@#y@@#l(@0A@#n6@#uJ @#uffffffffffffffffffffffffffvv*gx$,'@$0@#k3@$E o @$@$ `@$@$@$%@#p@#~hw@$e @$oO@$D4@$n.@$0@$,@#k3 @$!c@$4"@$K@$3@$ @$@#{/@%D@$2@$A@$2=@$ffffffffffffffffffffffffff@${=exd@$@$.@$!tf@#k3'@$Q@$B?1@${@$ G@$3@$`@$8k@$.@$!t f@$'@#k3@$ v@$'c 9@$Q@%,]@#m@%F@$-1@$`@$2='ffffffffffffffffffffffffffm\{$@$ M{)@""' `UK$БY@"D7@"DdKO.K{0qk@0cTK+g$K]IlYC787\K2@#fayV=}{<\K@0,1@$um\KN@//////qJ1R1R3B3B3B3BP@4)4)4)4)4)4)@B@$H [G6%r$KGPIKP----/]/])c@${a{{KXZ*:*:+}+}+}+}\P*0*0*0*0*o*oZ***3*3*Y*YP*****)*)@))))**@&P'9'9'91020@${aKc:20@${aJee@-Gh-LGmmrunpurifydumpemacs;ts >thwestern University TUTORIALS 6 June 1990 David Lawrence Hall UNIFICATION IN THE SYNTAX/SEMANTICS INTERFACE Per-Kristian Halvorsen, Xerox PARC & CSLI John Nerbonne, Hewlett-Packard & CSLI The introduction of unification-based formalisms for linguistic description has had a major impact on syntactic processing techniques and even on syntactic theory, especially in the development of feature-based grammars. More recently the use of unification has found success in semantic processing, raising anew some central issues concerning the syntax/semantics inte6yrface (e.g. compositionality and the virtues of "direct" interpretation). The tutorial will present the basic techniques underlying the use of unification in semantic processing, and demonstrate how these are profitably extended. Major topics are (i) Compositionality and systematicity in semantic interpretation revisited from the perspective of unification grammars; (ii) Structure-sharing, the ability to cater to the information shared in linguistic signs, employed not only in logic translations, but also in ancillary information associated with interrogative, relative, anaphoric and reflexive pronouns; (iii) ExploitatiyiW3on of the ability to underspecify information as an attractive option to multiplying semantics analyses in treating ambiguities; (iv) New ways of integrating semantic and syntactic constraints provided by a unitary basis for processing both semantic and syntactic information. TAGGING LINGUISTIC INFORMATION IN A TEXT CORPUS Terry Langendoen, University of Arizona Mitch Marcus, University of Pennsylvania Within the next few months, the widespread availability of extremely large corpora of computer readable texts through the ACL Data Collection Initiative will provide a new research tool for both linguistics and comx}yputational linguistics. Work is also beginning on explicit annotation of large corpora with several aspects of linguistic structure. This tutorial is intended for those who wish either to engage in text annotation projects of their own, or to exploit the availibility of new large annotated text and transcribed speech corpora such as the Penn Treebank. We will discuss at length a proposed set of draft standards developed by the internationally sponsored Text Encoding Initiative for the encoding and interchange of phonological, morphological and syntactic information, focussing both on the issues involved in developing sucKU:Th standards and on the particulars of the present proposed standard. We will outline a set of general design issues for large corpus annotation efforts, with focus on achieving the productivity rates necessary to annotate millions of words of text. The particular schemes used within the Penn Treebank project will be presented. We will also briefly survey a range of recent results deriving from the use of both annotated and unannotated corpora as research tools, using statistical, information-theoretic, and classical-AI symbolic methodologies. DISCOURSE REPRESENTATION THEORY Irene Heim, Massachusetts Institute of T&FWyechnology Discourse Representation Theory (DRT) refers to a semantic analysis of indefinites and anaphora advanced by Kamp (1981) and Heim (1982) and to modifications and extensions thereof in subsequent work by various authors. Like any concrete piece of linguistic analysis, DRT is a package deal and eclectically incorporates several ideas and assumptions that have been around in the philosophy and linguistics literature for a while and will probably continue to be explored long after DRT is obsolete. The main goal of this tutorial is not just to show how the DRT analysis works, but to isolate the distinct items in tye=[he `package' and clarify the role of each within DRT as well as in the broader context of semantic theory. We will specifically attend to aspects of the following general issues: the syntax-semantics interface; context-dependency and presupposition; and the syntax and semantics of natural language quantification structures. CONNECTIONIST APPROACHES TO LANGUAGE David Rumelhart, Stanford University This tutorial will provide an overview and introduction to connectionist techniques and their applications to linguistic information processing. I will discuss issues of learning and computation via constraint satisfacxytion, and will illustrate the applications of these to language processing problems. REGISTRATION INFORMATION AND DIRECTIONS PREREGISTRATION MUST BE RECEIVED BY 25 MAY; after that date, please wait to register at the Conference itself. Complete the attached ``Application for Preregistration'' and send it with a check payable to Association for Computational Linguistics or ACL to Donald E. Walker (ACL); Bellcore, MRE 2A379; 445 South Street, Box 1910; Morristown, NJ 07960-1910, USA; (+1-201) 829-4312; walker@flash.bellcore.com. If a registration is cancelled before 25 May, the registration fee, less $25 for adminN0Jfistrative costs, will be returned.ed the direct electrical attachment of devices to the telephone company's equipment provided the operation of the network was not adversely affected. The FCC recognized the concern for potential adverse effects on the network and on the quality of service as a result of the attachment of customer-provided equipment and contemplated the continued use of network control signaling apparatus provided by a common carrier. Consequently, the FCC approved Tariffs requiring the use of a protective coupler between customer-provided equipment and the network. In November 1975, the FCC issued (-20y a report and an order instituting a registration program. Under that program, Carrier-provided protective coupling devices are no longer necessary if the customer-provided equipment is registered with the FCC or uses a registered protective coupling device. Hope this helps to answer your questions. Kevin L. Blatter AT&T Bell Labs ------------------------------ From: "Joel M. Snyder" Subject: Re: Historical Query: Carterfone Date: 31 Mar 90 01:35:25 GMT Organization: U of Arizona MIS Dep't I don't have great details on the Carterphone decision, but I can tell you what it was about:m&# those things you put on your phone so your shoulder can hold the receiver. Carterphone made them; and for whatever reason, Bell didn't like them making them. I don't know whether they broke the receivers, or if Bell wanted to charge you 30 cents a month for them or what, but they contended that this product was a "customer owned" gadget and could not be put on their telephones. Carterphone, justifiably upset at this stupidity, sued, and thus was born the proposition that not all telephone equipment is created equal, and that Ma Bell has the right to "protect" herself (DAA) from such stuff. jms [Moderator's w>QZyNote: Carterfone was NOT about 'those things you put on the phone so it can rest on your shoulder...'. Carterfone was some radio equipment, although the specifics escape me now. However, our good friends at the Southwestern Bell Telephone Company did make history of sorts when they sued a funeral home which had distributed plastic covers for telephone directories which had the funeral home's advertisement on it. SW Bell claimed the plastic phone book covers were 'unauthorized attachments'. That would have been circa 1957. PT] ------------------------------ From: tad@ssc.UUCP (Tad Cook) Subject: Re: Cordless Phone Ran7-ge Date: 30 Mar 90 05:14:09 GMT Organization: very little I wanted to make a couple of comments on what the Moderator said in response to a question about cordless phone range. First, I don't think that the FCC regulates cordless phones at a 100 mw output anymore; rather they regulate the field strength of the transmitter. This usually works out to 100 mw or less though. I don't have the figures in front of me, but it is some kind of level of microvolts per square meter, measured in an RF anechoic chamber. The length of the antenna is also regulated. The wavelength is not really 8 meters, but is closer to 6 met)R0_yers. In fact, it is right below the 6 meter amateur radio band. The moderator mentioned that some manufacturers optimize their phones by a liberal interpretation of the rules and by "peaking" the modulation on the unit, as he has seen done with "CB." Actually, boosting the modulation on cordless phones does not increase the signal strength, as it uses FM. Boosting modulation levels only increases deviation of the signal, which causes problems once it deviates beyond the bandwidth of the receiver. The CB radios he is thinking of use SSB or AM, and higher average modulation levels do produce higher output there. He ޴mentioned range under "ideal atmospheric conditions", but this is not really a factor, since cordless phones are always operated in the "near field" of the transmitter, and skywave radiation does not come into effect....unless there is some horrendous "skip" coming in from out of the area by high powered transmitters on the same frequency. I THINK (but I am not sure) that some cordless phones have greater range for a couple of reasons. One is that the unit is designed to operate right up to the legal limit on radiation limits and antenna design, and the other reason is that the better quality ones probably have a LOT betyter receivers. This can make a tremendous difference. For instance, there are folks using cordless phones that are probably rated at 1000 feet or less in my neighborhood, yet I can hear the transmissions from their base unit a LOT further away with my VHF scanner radio. This is because the scanner radio has a much better receiver than they have in their handset. There are many factors that can affect a cordless phone's transmission quality. Computers are notorious for putting out radio frequency interference (RFI) that can really screw up the range. 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Simmons 1:55 2:20 A Compositional Semantics for Focusing Subjuncts Dan Lyons & Graeme Hirst 2:20 2:45 Designer Definites in Logical Form Mary P. Harper 3:05 3:30 Mixed Initiative in Dialogue: an Investigation Into Discourse Segmentation Marilyn Walker & Steve Whittaker 3:30 3:55 Performatives in a Rationally-Based Speech Act Theory Philip R. Cohen & Hector J. Levesque 3:55 4:20 Normal State Implicature Nancy Green 4:40 5:05 The Computational Complexity of AvoƏiding Conversational Implicatures Ehud Reiter 5:05 5:30 Free Indexation: Combinatorial Analysis and a Compositional Algorithm Sandiway Fong 5:30 5:55 Licensing and Tree Adjoining Grammar in Government Binding Parsing Robert Frank FRIDAY, 8 JUNE ASSEMBLY ROOM 9:00-9:25 A Simplified Theory of Tense Representations and Constraints on Their Composition Michael Brent 9:25-9:50 Solving Thematic Divergences in Machine Translation Bonnie Dorr 9:50 10:15 A Syntactic Filter on Pronominal Anaphora for Slot Grammar Shalom Lappin & Michael McCord 10:35 11:00 Acquiring Core Meanings of Worz2x$ ds, Represented as Jackendoff-style Conceptual Structures, from Correlated Streams of Linguistic and Non-linguistic Input Jeffrey Mark Siskind 11:00 12:00 INVITED TALK: Structural Sources of Verb Meaning Lila Gleitman, University of Pennsylvania 1:30 1:55 The Limits of Unification Robert J.P. Ingria 1:55 2:20 Defaults in Unification Grammar Gosse Bouma 2:20 2:45 Expressing Disjunctive and Negative Feature Constraints with Classical First-Order Logic Mark Johnson 3:05 3:30 Lazy Unification Kurt Godden 3:30 3:55 Zero Morphemes in Unification-based Combinatory Categorial Grammar Chǫinatsu Aone & Kent Wittenburg 3:55 4:20 Types in Functional Unification Grammars Michael Elhadad 4:40 5:05 Asymmetry in Parsing and Generating With Unification Grammars: Case Studies from ELU Graham Russell & Susan Warwick 5:05 5:30 Automated Inversion of Logic Grammars for Generation Tomasz Strzalkowski & Ping Peng 5:30 5:55 Algorithms for Generation in Lambek Theorem Proving Erik-Jan van der Linden & Guido Minnen 6:30- 7:30 RECEPTION Galleria, Forbes Quadrangle 7:30 10:00 BANQUET Assembly Room, William Pitt Union Presidential Address: Jerry R. Hobbs SATURDAY, 9 JUNE ASSEMBLY1! ROOM 9:00-9:25 Multiple Underlying Systems: Translating User Requests Into Programs to Produce Answers Robert J. Bobrow, Philip Resnick, Ralph M. Weischedel 9:25-9:50 Computational Structure of Generative Phonology and Its Relation to Language Comprehension Eric Sven Ristad 10:10 11:10 INVITED TALK: Stochastic Methods for Context-Free Grammars Fred Jelinek, IBM TJ Watson Research Center 11:10 12:15 ACL REPORT, BUSINESS MEETING, & ELECTIONS 11:10 11:30 A Report on the ACL Data Collection Initiative Mark Y. Liberman 11:30 12:15 Business Meeting & Elections Nominations for ACL Offices for 1991 4 President: Ralph Grishman, New York University Vice President: Kathy McKeown, Columbia University Secretary-Treasurer: Don Walker, Bellcore Executive Committee (1991-1992): Martha Palmer, Unisys Executive Committee (1991-1993): Fernando Pereira, AT&T Bell Labs Nominating Committee (1991-1993): Jerry Hobbs, SRI International 1:30 1:55 Parsing the LOB Corpus Carl Gustave de Marken 1:55 2:20 Automatically Extracting and Representing Collocations for Language Generation Frank A. Smadja & Kathleen R. McKeown 2:20 2:45 Heuristics for Disambiguating and Interpreting Verb Definitions eu s Yael Ravin 3:05 3:30 Noun Classification from Predicate-Argument Structures Donald Hindle 3:30 3:55 Deterministic Left to Right Parsing of Tree Adjoining Languages Yves Schabes & K. Vijay-Shanker 3:55 4:20 An Efficient Parsing Algorithm for Tree Adjoining Grammars Karin Harbusch 4:40 5:05 Lexical Constraints on Syntactic Rules in a Tree Adjoining Grammar Anne Abeille 5:05 5:30 Bottom-Up Parsing Extending Context-Freeness in a Process Grammar Processor Massimo Marino 5:30 5:55 A Hardware Algorithm for High Speed Morpheme Extraction and Its Implementation Toshikazu Fukushima, Yutaka {9Ohyama, & Hitoshi Miyai PROGRAM COMMITTEE Robert Berwick, MIT (Chair) David Israel, SRI International Karen Jensen, IBM Corporation Aravind Joshi, University of Pennsylvania Richard Larson, State University of New York, Stony Brook Paul Martin, SRI International Kathy McKeown, Columbia University Martha Pollack, SRI International James Pustejovsky, Brandeis University Edward Stabler, UCLA Hans Uszkoreit, Universitaet des Saarlandes David Weir, Nor04:51:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9004010951.AA22194@garcon.cso.uiuc.edu> Received: from vmd-mailfeed.cso.uiuc.edu by VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU (IBM :*j VM SMTP R1.2) with BSMTP id 9136; Sun, 01 Apr 90 03:43:48 CST Received: from VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU by vmd-mailfeed.cso.uiuc.edu (MAILFEED v2.00) id 9134; Sun, 1 Apr 90 03:43:23 CST Received: by UIUCVMD (Mailer X1.25) id 8822; Sun, 01 Apr 90 03:43:23 CST Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 04:42:37 -0500 Reply-To: STORM-L@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu Sender: STORM-L Storms and weather related info From: Charley Kline Subject: 010442 SELS_log To: "Keith F. Lynch" ZCZC WWUS60 KMKC 010923 NSSFC TORNADO AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORM REPORTS Zv8Mp PRELIMINARY LIST - INTERNAL DISSEMINATION ONLY FOR 06CST SAT MAR 31 1990 THRU 06CST SUN APR 1 1990 EVENT LOCATION REMARKS (CST)TIME ********** NO SEVERE REPORTS RECEIVED BY SELS ********** NNNN  Received: from REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 13065) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 16:39:22 EDT Received: from AI.MIT.EDU by REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU via INTERNET with SMTP id 4680; 1 Apr 90 14:10:28 EDT Received: from vixie.sf.ca.us by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA09159; Sun, 1 Apr 90 14:12:43 EDT Received: by vixie.sf.ca.us; id AA26187; Sun,  1 Apr 90 09:35:54 -0700 Received: by vixie.sf.ca.us; id AA26182; Sun, 1 Apr 90 09:35:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 13:44 EST From: ABHATIA@ecs.umass.edu Subject: Abortion To: objectivism@vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: objectivism@vixie.sf.ca.us X-Vms-To: IN%"objectivism@vixie.sf.ca.us" The issue of abortion is one that has troubled me for a long time, too. Seeing the previous postings ont the topic, I feel the reason the problem persists is that we are trying to find a solution which satisfies the following criteria: 1. Abortion is morally justifiable. 2. Animalg! bs don't have rights as human beings do. 3. Killing a pre-cognitive infant is morally wrong. In other words, we want to uphold abortion as right without granting animal rights or endorsing infanticide. Premise 3 seems okay to me but could 1 & 2 be wrong? Ajoy K. Bhatia  Received: from REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 13065) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 16:39:14 EDT Received: from AI.MIT.EDU by REAGAN.AI.MIT.EDU via INTERNET with SMTP id 4676; 1 Apr 90 13:08:47 EDT Received: from vixie.sf.ca.us by life.ai.mit.edu (4.1/AI-4.10) id AA08846; Sun, 1 Apr 90 13:10:51 EDT Received: by vixie.sf.ca.us; id AA25690; Sun, 1 A9c]dpr 90 08:30:26 -0700 Received: by vixie.sf.ca.us; id AA25686; Sun, 1 Apr 90 08:30:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 12:39:32 EDT From: Keith_Iluvitar_Weiner@mts.rpi.edu To: objectivism@vixie.sf.ca.us Message-Id: <1746351@MTS.RPI.EDU> Subject: Abortion The difference between an infant and a dog is that the infant posesses the potential to develop a mind. The difference between an infant and a fetus is that the infant can live on its own. It is a biologically self-sustaining being. It breathes, separates poisons from its blood, etc. The fetus cannot. The "potential for human life" is not human life. A fetus is merely potentia=Il. I point out that the theory goes with the practice. If abortion were illegal, then you would really hurt rape victims. (But if its human life tough on she who got pregnant?!) Or maybe you could have an exception. These exceptions would be monitored by the "Department of Abortions". They would make sure that no one got an abortion who wasnt raped... Of course they would have to hold all women "guilty until proven innocent"... Hmmm, and perhaps they would delay the average abortion several months due to beaurocracy... 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About my original posting og the bug in gcc, >Path: cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!CS.UTEXAS.EDU!tshsu >From: tshsu@CS.UTEXAS.EDU (TsG5xAVan-Sheng Hsu) >Newsgroups: gnu.gcc.bug >Subject: bug in gcc >Message-ID: <9004010359.AA06558@earth.cs.utexas.edu> >Date: 1 Apr 90 03:59:43 GMT >Sender: daemon@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu >Distribution: gnu >Organization: GNUs Not Usenet I guess I include the wrong file in the original post. My question should be "Is statement `-(i++);' equivalent to `i++; i = -i;' or `i = -i; i++;' ?". I thought it is the the formal one, but it seems that it is the latter case. I am sorry about the posting. Thanks for the help from David Keppel and Michael Tiemann. ==TSH FAILNET-ORIGIN<716660.900401@AI.AI.MIT.EDU>EDNOSHOW~}CYN-!  uD uDuDuD !uD)uD1uD9uDAuD IuD$QuD(YuD,auD0iuD4quD8yuD<Cp =(wT]uDOK uduDuD@HOo !Q` HSmt#,uH ~pY(( ],X]@0kHP6@ h7 ` :P0<8 =`=` LSW0,:,a-[9,]_: @MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:Mailer-Daemon@sun.comDANA@AI.AI.MIT.EDUReceived: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 05:19:58 EDT Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 05:18:32 EDT Received: from Sun.COM by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa17570; 1 Apr 90 5:16 EDT Received: by Sun.COM (4.Ag1/SMI-4.1) id AA24061; Sun, 1 Apr 90 01:14:59 PST Daeven use that perception to try to understand where the "other side" is coming from. But the main thing I want to get across here is that a certain amount of humility really is appropriate. I will now attempt to apply the same to myself, and leave you with all good wishes, --Greenleaf ------------------------------ Message-ID: <716452.900330.DEVON@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 18:34:26 EST From: Devon Sean McCullough To: paganism@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Fundies ... is a brand of underwear with two sets ofGu leg holes and one big waist hole. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9003312044.AA04641@athena1.sun.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 90 12:44:01 PST From: "William A. Turnbow" Subject: BAPA announcement BAY AREA PAGAN ASSEMBLIES The Bay Area Pagan Assemblies is having its next organizational meeting. It will take place Saturday, April 7, 1990 @ 12 o'clock. The place is the "The Family Tree Apartments' Recreation Room" @ 1000 Kiely Blvd. Santa Clara, just between Homestead and Benton, next to the Post Office. Don't park in the FTA parking lot. This is for your own protecqZv~tion. The managers have unknown cars towed. Park along the curb or in the large parking lot on the corner of Kiely and Benton, behind the 7-11. The Steering Committee has come up with a charter and set of bylaws and several initial ideas for BAPA activities for the consideration of the Assemblies. If all goes well, we will be electing officers at this meeting. So, please come! Also please bring other interested and sincere Pagans with you. For further information, contact BAPA at P.O. Box 850, Fremont, CA 94537. or (415) 487-6299, or (408) 984-2430 in the south bay. Blessed Be! The Steering Committe fue Geoff Williams Kier Neustaedter Janet Christian Diana St. Martin Williamt Turnbow ------------------------------ End of Paganism Digest **********************  BAPA announcement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <9003301514.AA17567@padouk.ima.isc.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 10:13:59 EST From: "Brian R. Holt" To: Paganism%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.lcs.mit.edu CC: Paganism-request%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Goodbye-folks It's been an interesting couple of years here on the Paganism list, buOt I am afraid I have to leave you for a while. Between my magical work, mundane work, getting hand-fasted, buying a house, and everything else, I just don't have the time or energy any more for the list. Blessings to all of you, and keep coming to the EarthSpirit Coffeehouse, third Friday of every month! In April, come listen to the music of Arthen, (aka Andras and Deirdre). Old Cambridge Baptist Church, 7:30pm. Rowan Note to the list administrator: please remove brian@ima.isc.com from the list... ------- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9003301533.AA10871@emx.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 09:f)bVDu33:11 -0600 From: "Susan L. Harwood" To: paganism@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: "Fundies" I find this interesting that this discussion is popping up now, because my boyfriend and I were just talking about it the other day. We were talking about various family members that might be somewhat, shall we say taken aback, at my religion and the sort of wedding that might result from it if we got to that point. Now, my parents (well, my mom anyway; my father is the unfathomable depths sometimes) don't have a problem. But, in both prospective sets of in-laws, there are Christians that are very conservative,q]$sp and (I think) some are indeed Fundamentalists. From there we progressed to raising pagan children, and started talking about the problems that would entail. I made some reference to "fundies," and he asked me who I meant, because, in that instance, I was including all Christians. This bothered me very much. I was raised as a Christian; although some of the things in Christian history incense me now, I have little quarrel with those Christians who have little quarrel with me. I think "fundies" is a dangerous term, because we can be tempted to use it when we refer to the "other side--" and they shouldn't really be thE-ue other side. They should just be another side of a many-faceted thing. The worst thing about lumping all people with a common feature-- in this case the carpenter from Nazareth-- is overgeneralization that leads to ignorance. After all, isn't that one of the prime reasons Wiccans and Neo-pagans are often identified with Satanists and "black" magicians? Witch = occult = Satanist = evil = Witch. Overgeneralization and ignorance. Those people who think I will go to Hell (in which I do not believe, btw) simply for following my own path make me sad when they say these things, and angry when they act upon this misguideUd idea. 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ASSOCIATION FOR COMPUTATIONAL LINGUISTICS 28th Annual Meeting 6-9 June 1990 William Pitt Union, 3959 Forbes Avenue University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA TUESDAY EVENING, 5 JUNE 7:00 9:00 Tutorial Registration and Reception Kurtzman Room, William Pitt Union WEDNESDAY, 6 JUNE 9:00 12:30 TUTORIAL SESSIONS: David La`8x_wrence Hall Room 104 Unification in the Syntax/Semantics Interface Per-Kristian Halvorsen & John Nerbonne Room 105 Tagging Linguistic Information in a Text Corpus Terry Langendoen & Mitch Marcus 2:00 5:30 TUTORIAL SESSIONS: David Lawrence Hall Room 104 Discourse Representation Theory Irene Heim Room 105 Connectionism in Natural Language Processing David Rumelhart 7:00 9:00 Conference Registration and Reception Kurtzman Room, William Pitt Union 7:00 9:00 Exhibits and Demonstrations Ballroom, William Pitt Union REGISTRATION: THURSDAY SATURDAY 8:00 5:00 Kurtzman Room, William Pitt Union; untilA+x_@ noon Saturday EXHIBITS&DEMONSTRATIONS: THURSDAY SATURDAY 9:00 6:00 Ballroom, William Pitt Union; until 1:30pm Saturday THURSDAY, 7 JUNE ASSEMBLY ROOM 9:00 9:15 Opening remarks and announcements 9:15 9:40 Polynomial Time Parsing of Combinatory Categorial Grammars K. Vijay-Shanker & David J. Weir 9:40 10:05 Intonation and Syntax in Spoken Language Systems Mark Steedman 10:25 10:50 Prosody, Syntax, and Parsing John Bear & Patti Price 10:50 11:15 Empirical Study of Predictive Powers of Simple Attachment Schemes for Post-modifier Prepositional Phrases Greg Whittemore, Kathleen Ferrara, & Hans BRR/'c`  6R:hW"y Ap(T {` Dx@8c_"@Q  $f )F5$IA.IP\QPTUQ\ !a>f va_H_D!) EhD![!fanpaÆtC|@zRPWAut\?;Af[AtAh! 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In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 29 Mar 90 15:59:40 -0800. <9003292359.AA25699@presto.ig.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 02:04:02 -0800 From: Doug Krause Message-Id: <9003300204.aa22748@orion.oac.uci.edu> Michael C. Berch writes: > apparently Poland has > > 1) The first gun shop (as such) in the eastern bloc; handguns > are legal and over 1000 have been sold, mostly all West > German imports; Any ideas aboaAut the laws? Permits needed? Waiting period? Etc ... > Wow. Understatement of the year? :-) Douglas Krause One yuppie can ruin your whole day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- University of California, Irvine Internet: dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA BITNET: DJKrause@ucivmsa  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 05:06:35 EST Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa19743; 30 Mar 90 5:02 EST Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Fri, 30 Mar 90o^Nv 03:47:37 EST Received: via switchmail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 30 Mar 90 03:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 30 Mar 90 02:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 30 Mar 90 02:40:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Reply-To: space+@andrew.cmu.edu From: space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu To: space+@andrew.cmu.edu D`ate: Fri, 30 Mar 90 02:38:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V11 #201 SPACE Digest Volume 11 : Issue 201 Today's Topics: Re: Coilgun on a 747 - supplies to orbit at $20/lb? Re: Discovery's Spin in 2010 (Was Re: Artificial gravity) Phobos, Deimos Comparative Costs to LEO Payload Status for 03/29/90 (Forwarded) Re: Will we lose another orbiter? Re: Discovery's Spin in 2010 (Was Re: Artificial gravity) Re: B-52/Pegasus launch scheduled for April 4 (Forwarded) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DatTp~3 e: Thu, 29 Mar 90 10:10:36 PST From: greer%utd201.dnet%utadnx@utspan.span.nasa.gov X-Vmsmail-To: UTADNX::UTSPAN::AMES::"space+@andrew.cmu.edu" Subject: Re: Coilgun on a 747 - supplies to orbit at $20/lb? In SPACE digest V11 #194 mcsun!ukc!stc!root44!hrc63!mrcu!paj@uunet.uu.net (Paul Johnson) writes: >Here are some rough calculations. Say we need 3 miles per second to >get into orbit (I expect someone somewhere knows better, but stick >with that for now). Say 15600 feet per second. > >(some equations deleted) > >Say about 16000g. > >You guys don't want a coil gun, you want a conventional chemical gun. > >P>9aul. This is a prime example of what happens when you don't use SI units and you don't know a few basic space facts. Velocity for a 300 km orbit is about 7.7 km/s. If you must use those other units, their are 1.61 km in a mile so 7.7 km = 4.8 mi. A 747 is 75 m long, so the relation v^2=2ad gives us about 40000 g for the acceleration to orbital velocity, consuming about 3 MJ of energy per kg of projectile. But in the Scientific American article on the proposed Hawaiian gun, their stated intent is to acheive a 6 km/s muzzle velocity just to get the projectile above significant atmosphere and then use a rocket motor tog  boost to orbital velocity. The payload would be 100 kg and the motor + fuel would be 300 kg. Since their gun is 800 m long, the minimum acceleration would be about 2300 g, requiring about 1.8 MJ/kg. They didn't say how much speed the projectile would lose on its way through the atmosphere. Suppose you only need 4 km/s if you launch from a 747 at. In that case, the acceleration need only ;-) be about 11000 g, using about 0.8 MJ/kg. How much is a megajoule, anyway, in "real life" terms? ---- Dale M. Greer, whose opinions are not to be confused with those of the Center for Space Sciences, U.T. at Dallas, UTSPAN::UTADNf FX::UTDSSA::GREER While the Bill of Rights burns, Congress fiddles. -- anonymous ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 90 06:01:37 GMT From: unmvax!nmtsun!nraoaoc@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (NRAO Array Operations Center) Subject: Re: Discovery's Spin in 2010 (Was Re: Artificial gravity) In article <1990Mar28.191014.16290@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> neufeld@physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes: > Yes and no. 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Message-ID: <9785@shlump.nac.dec.com> In article <309@vidiot.UUCP>, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes... } I just ordered "sex, lies & videotape" from them, CAV version. The CLV and } CAV versions are both letterboxexp-d. Criterion *always* letterboxes films that have larger aspect ratios than 4:3. Mainly because they target their product for the videophiles, who more often than not prefer letterboxing. } Before you ask why I got the CAV version when I have the 3070 player, } it is because I want the best vertical resolution possible when I } still frame that movie :-) Well, there is that, but I ordered the CAV version (as I almost always do if there's a choice) for the supplementary material. -- Blast zone. Quote under construction. Please turn off all two-way radios. --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", MayK]on*xpmnard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 90 20:27:14 GMT From: uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!plains!KSRAO%POWER@ames.arc.nasa.gov (K. Sankara Rao) Subject: satellite receiver - audio subcarrier Message-ID: <00934691.81EF1CC0@POWER> I am getting what I think a good deal on a satellite home receiving system. It is an 8 foot dish, with complete C-Ku band operation. The miising things are: There is no descrambler for the receiver and the receiver has audio output for only two -xq- subcarriers (6.2 and 6.8). The entire thing is $1150.00 including installation. My questions are: 1. Is this package overpriced? 2. If it is not overpriced, what should I do to get the various audio subcarriers? I am ver much interested in getting audio only programs, like BBC, CBC radio etc. Are there any receivers that can be used for audio only and how much do they cost? Thanking you in advance for information K. Sankara Rao ksrao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu Department of Electrical Engineering North Dakota State University, Fargo mxqm------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 90 05:44:28 GMT From: astroatc!vidiot!brown@speedy.wisc.edu (Vidiot) Subject: THE ABYSS on video: any confirmation of director's cut? Message-ID: <310@vidiot.UUCP> In article <21247@bellcore.bellcore.com> daves@cellar.UUCP (David Shaffer) writes: ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 90 20:20:44 GMT From: stan!number6!kucharsk@uunet.E, cxrmuu.net (William Kucharski) Subject: Yet another XBR comment Message-ID: <1990Mar29.202044.2360@Solbourne.COM> I just thought I'd let you all know about a _bug_ in my KV-27XBR15. It seems that when you do a combination of things (I don't remember -- it involves setting the input for the PIP) and swap the pictures, the Sony displays the swapped picture's channel number with the original channel's video label. Ex: Channel 4 has the label "NBC" Channel 18 has the label "VH-1" Do miscellaneous things with PIP. Have channel 4 in the main picture and channel 18 in the PIP. Hit "swap" -- the Sony says: v-G+xs- 18 NBC Whoops... -- =============================================================================== | ARPA: kucharsk@Solbourne.COM | William Kucharski | | uucp: ...!{boulder,sun,uunet}!stan!kucharsk | Solbourne Computer, Inc. | = The opinions above are mine alone and NOT those of Solbourne Computer, Inc. = ------------------------------ End of VIDEOTECH Digest V90 Issue #257 **************************************  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 06:07:41 EST Received: from dartvax.dartmouth.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa21330; A) xsm 30 Mar 90 6:05 EST Received: by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.61D1/4.0HUB) id AA24664; Fri, 30 Mar 90 05:06:14 -0500 Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.61D1Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 24 Nov 89 03:48:09 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa20148; 24 Nov 89 3:37 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2435; Fri, 24 Nov 89 03:36:58 EST Received: by MITVMA (Mailer R2.03B) id 7071; Fri, 24 Nov 89 03:36:57 EST Date: Fri, 24 Nov 89 14:14:31 +0900 Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.*xt-edu Sender: Japanese Language Discussion List From: Rik Fischer Smoody Subject: Spahn & Hadamitzky X-To: NIHONGO@MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: Chris Stacy , "Jay L. Verkler" Message-ID: <8911240337.aa20148@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> (This would be a followup, but there's the electro-political barrier for news going out of Japan 8-( ) I second Ken R. Lunde's recommendation of S&H. I purchased a copy on sight early this year... S&H improves (by simplifying) the task ofNd'lxtm finding a kanji via radicals. Only 79 of the 214 historical ones are used in locating a kanji. The 214 historical radicals are important to know IFF you really care about the history of Japanese language. Nelson includes them all, but some only baggage in the way of finding a kanji. :e.g. R204 is drawn, given the nickname "sewing" but is unused : in any kanji. : R214, "flute", is used in exactly one kanji. : R209 "nose" is used for only two kanji. But worse, it is composed of : R132 "self" with some other stuff below. So if you are looking : for one of those two, you might first look at R132, and perhaps :kxu- conclude that your kanji is not there. Most of us gaijin : won't mind filing "nose" under "self" if it means we find it : when we look. : R198 "deer" is similarly composed of R53 "dotted cliff" and some : obscure strokes. How often do you look up kanji like : "fawn", "giraffe", "foot of a mountain" and "garbage" (?!) : to re-inforce the notion of what R198 looks like. : would you really mind finding "garbage" under "cliff"? S&H does have a table of the 214 if you care. I find that it's very easy using Nelson at work and S&H at home. The reference number of those radicals used is different, but for only the really XDOxumcommon ones do I remember them by number. (let's see: R85 is "water", R64 is "hand", R9 is "person", R30 is "box" ...Uhm,... how'm I doin', coach? Using either dictionary, you really speed up when you get used to the radicals. You still have to look for a 4-stroke radical in the 4-stroke section. Each dictionary has pictures of all the radicals inside the cover, which really helps when you're a tyro. Each dictionary shares a huge flaw (from my point of view). If you are reading hand-written kanji, the left-side or top of some kanji may be hard to read. Even though you see another radical down there on the right, i}t$'>xv-t won't help. S&H's compound lookup scheme helps a lot, since maybe if you can make out the next kanji, you can look through the list of likely ones to preceed it, but... I have found that judicious application of ink and post-it labels has greatly sped up both dictionaries (home-made thumb-tabs). Criticism of S&H: While I like the fact that there's a concise list of the kanji at the introduction of each radical, I'd also prefer the entries the be in BOLDER text... I often flip to the right place (see post-it thumb-tab, and...) and then want to do a single-step scan for the definition, not look it up by code number. 8xvm Further suggestion: get yourself a nice box to carry it in. The book's binding is soft. Conclusion: S&H is a good dictionary. I'd recommend it as #1 currently available. Rik Fischer Smoody Sony Computer Science Lab, Inc. 3-14-13 Higashigotanda, Shinagawa-ku Tokyo 141 Japan phone: (03)448-4381 FAX (03)448-4273 E-mail: riks@csl.sony.jp or maybe: riks@csl.sony.co.jp What follows is my address in Japanese. If you cannot read it, blame your education, your display, or the xenophobic mail-handling computer programs which "protect" Yankee terminals from subversive characters. $B")(J141 $BEl5~ET(J $BIJ@n6hRGxxw-(J $BEl8^H?ED(J3$B!<(J14$B!<(J13 $B%=%K!<(J $B%3%s%T%e%?(J $B%5%$%(%s%9(J $B8&5f=j(J $B%j%C%/(J $B5yIW(J $B%9%`!<%G%$(J  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 24 Nov 89 03:24:14 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa19819; 24 Nov 89 3:17 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2383; Fri, 24 Nov 89 03:16:46 EST Received: by MITVMA (Mailer R2.03B) id 6841; Fri, 24 Nov 89 03:16:45 EST Date: Fri, 24 Nov 89 17:04:28 JST Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Sender: Japanese Language DiscussioGxwmn List From: Paul SPEE Subject: Re: Japanese<->English Dictionary X-To: NIHONGO%mitvma.mit.edu@t(\'[0 a^@_t(`.0 eb@ct(d3$0 if@gt(h60 mj@kt(l8m0 qn@ot(p;0 ur@st(t>60 yv@wt(xA50 }z@{t(|E0 ~@t(H0 @t(KH0  @t(`n xx-NY0  @ t ( Q0 @t(U0 @t(ZZ0 @t(]}0 @t%(`#0 !@t+( e0 %"@#t1($gl0 )&@'t7((j0 -*@+t=(,m50 1.@/tC(0r30 52@3tI(4t~0 96@7tO(8y0 =:@;tU(<|G0e A>@?t[(@,0 EB@Cta(D!0 IF@Gtg(H xxm u0e MJ@Ktm(LZ0 QN@Ots(P}0 UR@Sty(T#0 YV@Wt(X0 ]Z@[t(\l0e a^@_t(`Q0 eb@ct(dk0  if@gt(h10 mj@kt(l0 qn@ot(p8c0 ur@st(t0f yv@wt(x[0 }z@{t(|C0 ~@t(0 @t(H[0  @t(?xy-0  @ t( P$0 @t(0 @t(Wm0 @t(ڣ0 @t(]60 !@t( 50 %"@#t($l0 )&@'t((0 -*@+t(,rH0 1.@/t(0Y0 52@3t (4x0 96@7t(80 =:@;t(<Z0 A>@?t(@}0 EB@Ct!(D#0 IF@Gt'(Hs0 ]Fxym 0 MJ@Kt-(Ll0 QN@Ot3(P0 UR@St9(T50 YV@Wt?(X30 ]Z@[tE(\0 a^@_tK(`"0 eb@ctQ(d%P0 if@gtW(h*i0 mj@kt](l/0 qn@otc(p10 ur@sti(t6b0 yv@wto(x90 }z@{tu(|<+0 ~@t{(?0 @t(At0  @t(.Top xz-D0  @ t( I=0 @t(LC0 @t(O0 @t(S0 @t(VO0 !@t( Yg0 %"@#t($^0 )&@'t((`0 -*@+t(,ga0 1.@/(0z0 52@3|(4}*0 96@7xi(80 =:@;|(<s0 A>@?xp(@0 EB@C|(D<0 IF@Gpw(HF`Z5bxzmA0 MJ@Kpz(L0 QN@Op}(P0 UR@Sp(TN0 YV@Wp(Xe0 ]Z@[p(\!0  a^@_ (`0 eb@c(d.`0 if@gx!(h0 mj@kx'(l2)0 qn@o-(p0 ur@sx5(t7r0 yv@wx;(x0 }z@{A(|=;0 ~@xI(?0 @xO(C0  @xU(K=x{-0  @ x[( FM0 f @xa(g30 @xg(/0 @xm(l|0f @xs(ob0 !@xy( 0 %"@#x(${+0f )&@'x((~0f -*@+x(,w0 1.@/x(00  52@3x(4@0  96@7x(8I0 =:@;x(<" 0  A>@?x(@,0  EB@Cx(D7R0 IF@Gx(H2Z`8)x{m:m0 MJ@Kx(L?0 QN@Ox(PA0 UR@Sx(TDd0 YV@Wx(XG0 ]Z@[NET-MAIL-FROM-HOST:40700015044 RETURN-PATH:msir_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TO:"cz@ai.ai.mit.edu TEXT;-1 Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 18:21:22 EDT Received: from [128.102.18.3] by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa03066; 1 Apr 90 18:16 EDT Received: from uhura.cc.rochester.edu by ames.arc.nasa.gov (5.61/1.2); Sun, 1 Apr 90 15:09:56 -0700 Received: by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (4.1/1.12) id AA04552; S4fw.fx|-un, 1 Apr 90 18:05:15 EDT Message-Id: <9004012205.AA04552@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> From: Mark Sirota Date: Sun, 1 Apr 90 18:05:15 EDT In-Reply-To: Vincent Kwapong (Apr 1, 1:52am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.4 1/31/90) To: Vincent Kwapong , info-vw@ames.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Muffler for Golf On Apr 1, 1:52am, Vincent Kwapong writes: > The story is like this: the rear muffer on my '87 Golf is getting loud and > so I figured I might be able to replace it with something less restrictive > fo#Zph.x|mr improved gas mileage and maybe performance (?). For those who are not familiar, the Golf/Jetta II/Corrado has two mufflers in series. This unfortunately makes it a little more expensive... > I considered replacing the exhaust system with the big bore "Monza" system > from J.C. Whitney. However, they don't carry it for the *87* Golf. I > called to verify. (I thougth 85 - 87 were identical?). There are subtle changes in the mufflers from year to year and between the Golf and Jetta, and the 16V has a slighly different rear muffler, but they're all interchangeable. If it fits one car, it'll fit another. (Of course.7x}- the Jetta needs a longer tailpipe to clear the trunk.) That's true from '85-'89; I don't know what the story is with the mufflers for the 2.0-liter 16V engine. > Anyway, could anyone recommend something that is not too expensive (either > to replace my muffler or the exhaust system from tail to say, the catalytic > converter)? I've done this research a couple of times. Since I race the car, I'm only allowed to change things behind the catastrophic converter. Apparently the stock VW system is good - damn good. It's also expensive, since there are two mufflers. The popular replacements are Ansa, Gillet, and LeistritrJCx}mz. For the Golf, the Ansa system sure sounds and looks nice but apparently increases backpressure. The Leistritz and Gillet systems also sound nice, but are even more expensive than the stock system. Both are reputed to give a slight power advantage over stock, and both are noticably louder than stock. The other possibilities are specialized mufflers with custom-bent pipes to make them fit. I am going with a stainless steel Supertrapp muffler with a custom pipe, and just skipping the middle muffler. Another good muffler to consider is the Walker Dynomax, but it's not adjustable like the Supertrapp. Both these systemx~-s end up being less expensive than any of the others, but unless you can weld and bend pipes you can't install them yourself. > On a different note, would a K& N filter benefit an '87 Golf to any > degree? Thanks in advance for the info. I use a K&N Filtercharger. I don't know if it makes any difference, but they're cheap and you won't have to replace it ever again, so what the hell. -- Mark Sirota - University of Rochester, Rochester NY Internet: msir_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu UUCP: {decvax,harvard,ames,rutgers}!rochester!ur-cc!msir_ltd AI.AI.MIT.EDU><266706.871008@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><266671.871008@AI.AI7x~m.MIT.EDU><266487.871008@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><257944.870921@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><257931.870921@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><254938.870915@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><250301.870904@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245890.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245790.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245750.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245734.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245715.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245711.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245700.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245613.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><245586.870824@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><243535.870818@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><243523.870818@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><239915.870808@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><236980.870803@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><146256.870129@AI.AI.MIT.EDU><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].121111.861120.ZVONA><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].114(x775.861105><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].112551.861030><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].102642.861006><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].102521.861006><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].101026.861001><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].99088.860926><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].98772.860925><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].98736.860925><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].98714.860925><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].98656.860925><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].98632.860925><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].98486.860925.RICH><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].98310.860924.SILVER><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].98309.860924><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].93640.860913><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].92481.860909.KLOTZ><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].92288.860909><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].92259.860908><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].91935.860908.DRAGON><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].91896.860907>n(x<[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].91662.860906><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].91336.860905><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].90444.860903><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].89966.860902><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].89957.860902><[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].89789.860901><[AI.AI.MIDER-FORCERFC733EQV-LISTROLLROLL@KICKI.STACKEN.KTH.SERSR-OPTIONNOQCR-OPTIONNO-CLIRUBSAMEN-SANEQV-LISTrubsamen@zermatt.lcs.mit.eduRWK-AIEQV-LIST[RWK;RWK MAIL]FILEScherlisEQV-LISTScherlis@vax.darpa.milSCHREQR-OPTIONNOQCSEDAEQV-LISTSEDA@ZERMATT7thSonEQV-LIST7thSon@MCSquiresEQV-LISTSqusires@VAX.DARPA.MILSR.LAMELEQV-LISTLAMELSRAR-OPTIONNO-CLIR-OPTIONNOQCR-HEADER-FORCE8G*nx-RFC733SUGIYAIEQV-LISTSUGIYAI@WHEATIESTAFTR-OPTIONNO-CLIR-OPTIONNOQCR-OPTIONAPPENDW8SDZEQV-LISTW8SDZ@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MILR-HEADER-FORCERFC733[USERS3;W8SDZ MAIL]R-HEADER-FORCERFC733R-OPTIONAPPENDR-OPTIONNOQCR-OPTIONSMALL-CLIFILEWILLIAMSEQV-LISTWILLIAMS@WHEATIESYELLOW-GIRLEQV-LISTJSCHOI@SAGE.LCS.MIT.EDUYISHAIR-OPTIONAPPENDYONEZAWAEQV-LISTKDDLAB!TITCCA!TITISA!YONEZAWA@HPLABS.HP.COMKDDLAB!TITCCA!TITISA!YONEZAWA@SEISMO.CSS.GOVYMTANEQV-LISTYMTAN@wheatiesZvonaR-OPTIONSMALL-CLIR-OPTIONNOQCR-OPTIONAPPENDR-HEADER-FORCERFC733Zvona@AIЩbLmZvona@AIAIAIAIAIAI<yxpReceived: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 18:21:31 EDT Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa03222; 1 Apr 90 18:19 EDT Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA01273; Sun, 1 Apr 90 10:55:07 EDT Received: from E40-008-9.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA08137; Sun, 1 Apr 90 05:19:07 EDT Received: by E40-008-9.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23930; Sun, 1 Apr 90 05:19:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9004010919.AA23930@E40-008-9.MIT.EDU> To: kjc@cs.rutgers.edu, elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: what the heck ... In-Reply-To: Your messaget3x0 of Sat, 31 Mar 90 00:27:31 -0500. <9003310527.AA25042@porthos.rutgers.edu> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 90 05:19:02 EDT From: "George W. Poulos" (aka Cpt. Caveman) > From: kjc@cs.rutgers.edu > To: elbows@ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU > Subject: what the heck ... > > is The BoneFone (TM)? > >kelly Hi Kelly, The BoneFone was something that looked like an airplane's life preserver with a pair of headphone. It was basically a radio (possibly even a tape player, I dont remember). The Idea was that you would strap this thing on and the sound you hear over the headphones would also vibrate into yourE'}lp bones in the same way that loud music would sound if it were being played live or over some big speakers. So you get the feel of the real thing. 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User unknown: No such file or directory' Your message follows: Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa12690; 30 Mar 90 13:33 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:35:05 EST From: "Christopher R. Zach" Subject: Request to be added To: "racers-request@HOOSIER.UTAH.EDU"@MINTAKA.LC&}I=x`S.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Fri 30 Mar 90 00:18:28 EST from Mark Sirota Message-ID: <716326.900330.CZ@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> PLease add me to the Team.Net racers forum. Thank you CZ  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 13:44:20 EST Received: from GHOTI.LCS.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa13001; 30 Mar 90 13:41 EST Received: from porthos.rutgers.edu by ghoti.LCS.MIT.EDU via TCP with SMTP id AA27880; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:43 EST Received: by porthos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.3/3.05) id AA14876; Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:40 EST Date: УCx Fri, 30 Mar 90 13:32:40 EST From: kjc@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9003301832.AA14876@porthos.rutgers.edu> To: elbows@ghoti.lcs.mit.edu Subject: house? mouse? guess who's renting a house & populating it with 7 other folks come June 1st? Hahahahahaha!!! kjc p.s. anybody wanna live in New Brunswick? we got room for 2 in a double ...   AA03652; Fri, 30 Mar 90 11:09:22 PST Received: by nlp9 (3.2/NLIe-Id: <1746351@MTS.RPI.EDU> Subject: Abortion The difference between an infant and a dog is that the infant posesses the potential to develop a mind. The difference between an infant and a fetus kwx`is that the infant can live on its own. It is a biologically self-sustaining being. It breathes, separates poisons from its blood, etc. The fetus cannot. The "potential for human life" is not human life. A fetus is merely potential. I point out that the theory goes with the practice. If abortion were illegal, then you would really hurt rape victims. (But if its human life tough on she who got pregnant?!) Or maybe you could have an exception. These exceptions would be monitored by the "Department of Abortions". They would make sure that no one got an abortion who wasnt raped... Of course they would have to hold all women "%0oRy\ guilty until proven innocent"... Hmmm, and perhaps they would delay the average abortion several months due to beaurocracy... Causing more pain to "unborn people" (and more deaths to women)... Never MIND the dangerous precedent of the govt initiating the use of force against innocent people, and that the govt now would hold people innocent until they prove themselves guilty. It's a good bet that when an "ideal", to be implemented, requires a fascist govt, is probably NOT an ideal.  u:x(```H  <`")H`` ` `   0` ````x%`` <)#0``$xJ(q`"!`+-`@5`13`&',9.;`(>`*)2C E4(# G Q )S(*g`N9`0/=(, Y?-/`A6/xS`B7`C8`<E_D<U 4 i5 k`U`;:M68`OF`PG`QH`LI`^WR8`K%V=?B CDg@`TS`_X``Y`aZ`[`flQPjXKO`ec0M`]\bT`ih`q`r1Z-f8H9H7 0] RpH   LV7[,R0\9-g :PP:[LVh8wH6Y-g .6p]87\M6H7d:]Rh "H-f06.FH7[DH9KD$H f(2[82H;$hvp2H 3[mv Mvlb3Y.G 4[Lr4[Lf`)#ex0]x7v03v0 V2 6(7 W-f L5Hvp!' 4$h7]LR0YlH7 D e+Y$h:\nB3Y.B: R3Z.&`9Hw(:v0x9Y$;Y, Message-Id: <9004010728.AA06993@Gang-of-Four.Stanford.EDU> To: agre@gang-of-four.stanfo m"`Qrd.edu, zvona@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: For your amusement I am told that at the AAAI program committee meeting David Israel (who chaired the Philosophical Foundations) area stood up and proposed that it be abolished. Evidently the field is on a firmer footing than we think... Ramin .lcs.7>q@zI @u#aOO]I{Og2EtOchC"K-IzSa;a >I{4OO,2G4OW@aO2HOk$y#aOIz33@aOOM@dCaO2F3?2G4OQ7I}OI|3;=32D aOdOeIyTO_ _I|3;@ OIySA@qaO2GtO_93aO>2HOsA{Cc~A[ʑOw 2CtOs%QaOI~I}1 $j)QOoOyE5F|yO{ۇ|{O}|}O|P|~XF1чd iZ2E25-201 x0547}}IKLYTEMNESTRA.AI.MIT.EDUKMMAC.MATHCS.EMX=W3H* ^0|+E&lM3[x0[d/|CpD]H :H :H :  b8|b2@gSMi:  F}jv:2XRYF/L}|HPGs _[+ ,~Sh ^ , +`oUX_6@/+4`0RF=n4N:aI P]  N_ .`p+t #$0.. / N`"`.L_+,~!.N6@/++_+xdZ`1L1S5n/JN,~`}d0LX$.tSQ6@a`6@``g ^ L] , L`+/[2n` `U`+ ` _.L_"`.L`p,`A`Q6@-=6@-Y {Y@)[>a@QJ+/^    ` h+ v  \d1 <, dv +V6@d,~B0*V h :d,~X`Xv%`k+j4$j G$ & +j#'8Bj`+ h@gSLy: @@@6@1h`4<z3\d@@d5\z`k4$O@f+z[/Y 6@- 6@-1J`1+0Fd0BO@e` 0B`,~X0,~ P+ 1B1``<$c`4"c[`=7@c`p`E0 aB@+Y`+YO@-I`>`11"x` pE1`j`` 0+, +z` ` ` "+\`` +*1B`i0+?0`Q*+W0`0`1B +M+V +V+>+1 %0+/RK+, "+z+10Bx`c+z2+&1J(2+*7@,,~@@,,>`,dd 1J~l `0d,^ " (I`a+@(E,~+@(G (I` 80aXaaXa~:@.+V,~[@@- 4,~,~i J^  5J3J0,~ J02,g1J/*` *~` * ,~k 6mJ` `7 "4(r+0`1BB,g0+z6@e,~+ ,~s!$ =9",~ %0`1"+zQKB`@g&~@W,~W+>6@,,~O@,+9@G;y:@@G;9:FYES@gSLy: @@@rdxJ j7@13BT3BU`p+Z]a)v]a)+W(D&^(.h0Y0_[O@-Y[@@-[v_[ `Y[ a6`^@@^81FK @+ 1F 1F[1FK 1FY1F^1FX`Q"A` B]_+x " $- "`d1B11dd ^`6@/+   D) F^6@-,'Y`],> other money Date: Thu 29 Mar 1990 18:50:48 PST From: Kennita Watson Message-Id: <638765449/kwatson@pyrmis.pyramid.com> In-Reply-To: Bernie Cosell's message of Thu, 29 Mar 90 9:35:16 EST Bernie says: > Why do you consider > interfering with the enumeration to be any less of a wanton > tax-money-wasting act than ripping up the sod in a public park At this point, I don't plan to interfere, I just plan not to help the government put on a farce. I'm not being represented, so I'm not going to put my name in a hat to say I think I am. The resisters have me convinced. As far as wasting your money, I didn't ask for it to be spent in the first place, and I'd be hXF>SxJappy to send them a note next time saying "please don't spend the share you'd use to count me; I don't want to be counted" if I thought it would do any good. Then again, I don't get to say what I want done with any of the rest of my taxes, either. Kennita  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 03:00:50 EST Received: from dartvax.dartmouth.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa15535; 30 Mar 90 2:57 EST Received: by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.61D1/4.0HUB) id AA22987; Fri, 30 Mar 90 01:04:55 -0500 Received: from [137.192.1.9] by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.61D1/4.0HUB) id AA22983; Fri, 8@wVhx 30 Mar 90 01:04:48 -0500 Received: from ns.network.com by nsco.network.com (5.61/1.34) id AA28378; Fri, 30 Mar 90 00:05:35 -0600 Received: by ns.network.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA17624; Fri, 30 Mar 90 00:05:33 CST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 00:05:33 CST From: John Logajan Message-Id: <9003300605.AA17624@ns.network.com> To: libernet@dartvax.dartmouth.edu Subject: James Bovard The James Bovard who wrote the WSJ article on the census that was just posted to Libernet also recently wrote a book, "The Farm Fiasco." It is available from Laissez Faire Books. - John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone AveqxJ; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 - logajan@ns.network.com, john@logajan.mn.org, 612-424-4888, Fax 424-2853  Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 02:37:44 EST Message-ID: Date: 30 Mar 90 02:25:39 EST From: Automatic Paganism Digestifier Reply-To: Paganism%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@Mintaka.LCS.MIT.EDU To: Paganism%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@Mintaka.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Paganism Digest #467 Paganism Digest #467 30 Mar 90 02:25:39 EST Today's Topics: A Mask for the General x books (2 messages) Books 'n' Movies fundies, opinions and open-mindedness ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <9003291318.AA22666@W20-575-78.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 90 08:17:58 EST From: rgvdh@athena.mit.edu To: paganism%mc.lcs.mit.edu@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Subject: A Mask for the General Is by Lisa Goldstein. It's a very good book. -RGvdH ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9003291425.AA04386@hi-csc.honeywell.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 90 08:25:59 cst From: Brett Slocum To: uunet!mc.lcs.mit.edu!paganiE}EjxJsm@uunet.uu.net Subject: books That's A Mask for the General by Lisa Goldstein. I finally remembered last night. -- Brett Slocum or Spend extra time on hobby. Get plenty of rolling papers. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9003291902.AA13974@ucscc.UCSC.EDU> Date: Thu Mar 29 09:42:43 1990 From: sco!caroline@ucscc.ucsc.edu To: mc.lcs.mit.edu!Paganism@ucscc.ucsc.edu Subject: books Message-ID: <9003281747.AA04314@hi-csc.honeywell.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 90 11:47:06 cst From: Brett Slocum To: uunet!mc.lcs.mit.e Date: Thu, 29 Mar 90 13:59 EST From: One Nation Under A Groove To: paganism@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Books 'n' Movies From: Brett Slocum [...A bunch of stuff about Pagan books, deleted for brevity...] For books with Pagan themes, I submit to you, The Chronicles of Narnia, by C.S. Lewis! +@?@@uO@W@@]&@@G?7@5Z A,/Kd#=x d `?kd % R_ "?o6F ?1 "?pQ"A` p.:O@X@@<р0+ 6@Y,++ p " Bh? 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(a) Symbolics marketing should do an aggressive comparison of their development environment's features vs. the competition and at least post same to the net, if not distribute it to the sales force. (b) Symbolics should be considering how to keep Genera out in front in the future - one idea involving the "bundling of Concordia and Statice" discussion that's slowly disappeared. Maybe Symbolics will look at some of those ideas a second time when we see what they come up with for (a), instead of telling us that all we're looking for is prix ^9x4Jce cuts. Want a chilling thought? Say you wanted to buy a Symbolics and some state institution you work for insists that it go out for bid. How much difference do you think some dweeb in a gov't purchasing office is going to see between all of the aforementioned lisp development environments? Probably about $15K. For now, I can make robustness arguments that might win, and (fortuanately) I can make compatability arguments that do win. Its not clear to me that functionality is going to remain a convincing argument for long.  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 20:58:48 EST Received: froɋx5 m decpa.pa.dec.com by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa01149; 30 Mar 90 20:53 EST Received: by decpa.pa.dec.com; id AA29250; Fri, 30 Mar 90 17:53:50 -0800 Received: by gilroy.pa.dec.com (5.57/4.7.34) id AA07086; Fri, 30 Mar 90 17:53:43 PST Received: by gnome2.pa.dec.com (5.57/4.7.34) id AA06375; Fri, 30 Mar 90 17:43:57 PST Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 11:13:36 PST Resent-From: lds-request@wsl.dec.com Resent-Message-Id: <9003310143.AA06375@gnome2.pa.dec.com> Resent-To: lds@wsl.dec.com Reply-To: lds@wsl.dec.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 11:13:36 PST Message-Id: <9003301913.AA29010@pdx.MENTOR.COM> From: Mike Sellers To: ogicse!wsl.dec.com!lds@gnome2.dec.com Subject: re: This whole evolution thing > > Why should we, of all people, cling so > > tenaciously to a religious system invented by certain 19th century Protes- > > tants? True, they do reflect the views of some of our leaders, but > > remember that they came out of a 19th century revival movement. > > Be careful here. My only reply to this is - have you read the book of Moses > in the P of GP lately? > > -- > Brian R. Bainter KA7TXA > gatech!kd4nc!trantext!brian or > gatech!tomcat!brian Well, yes. What's your point (note that I'm Vx6 not the one to whom your question was addressed)? Mike Sellers  58/GATECH-8.6) id AA20775 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 90 09:47:02 EST Received: by pravda.gatech.edu (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA04828; Sat, 31 Mar 90 09:46:40 EST Date: Sat, 31 Mar 90 09:46:40 EST From: buff%pravda@gatech.edu (Richard Billington) Message-Id: <9003311446.AA04828@pravda.gatech.edu> To: slug@Warbucks.AI.SRI.COM, vogel@starbase.mitre.org Subject: Re: Allegro Composer vs Symbolics It's been buggy for the better part of a year - how much longer until the bugs go away? Try making a huge cons'd together structure (that is, start eating up all of mecF!%x6Jmory) - like this: (defun cons-a-lot (n-levels) (make-array 10 :initial-element (make-list 10 :initial-element (if (zerop n-levels) nil (cons-a-lot (1- n-levels)))))) the above code due to Charles Fry (chucko) of Symbolics try increasing orders of magnitude, beginning with 10 (try this under genera, too). I found as of last fall ('89), neither Lucid nor Allegro (I had what was supposed to be the latest version of both) could cleanly deal with running out of space. Lucid just disappeared, and Allegro did different things - most commonly it would say it was running out of sh8PI0x7 tack space, should I increase it, and if I said yes, it would crash ... back to a login (unix login, mind you) prompt. We were also looking at Harlequin, and it had similar unfortunate behaviour, but I can't remember what it was. Now, I never ran the Symbolics up against its hard memory limit, but I went two *orders of magnitude* higher with the symbolics and it still came back to me. Yes, the symbolics had to grow the stack several times, but it did that successfully, and it garbage collected the lot successfully. Now, the above is a LISP problem - Composer, Harlequin, and SPE had bugs, too. BUT, I agree with one poin۰Q-x7Jt you're making. When one looks at the functionality that Composer et. al. deliver, and compare such a list with genera, genera doesn't stack up as well as it might. Now, most of us know that the difference in robustness, etc. is substantial, but when the bottom line is as different in price ('cause Allegro Composer, etc run on the workstations we already have hus interested in attempting to be "period" than they used to be. 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For those who are not familiar, the Golf/Jetta II/Corrado has two mufflers in series. This unfortunately makes it a little more expensive... > I considered replacing the exhaust system with the big bore "Monza" system > from J.C. Whitney. However, they don't carry it for the *87* Golf. I > called to verify. (I thougth 85 - 87 were iden)xA tical?). There are subtle changes in the mufflers from year to year and between the Golf and Jetta, and the 16V has a slighly different rear muffler, but they're all interchangeable. If it fits one car, it'll fit another. (Of course the Jetta needs a longer tailpipe to clear the trunk.) That's true from '85-'89; I don't know what the story is with the mufflers for the 2.0-liter 16V engine. > Anyway, could anyone recommend something that is not too expensive (either > to replace my muffler or the exhaust system from tail to say, the catalytic > converter)? I've done this research a couple of times. Since I race thI;2MxAJe car, I'm only allowed to change things behind the catastrophic converter. Apparently the stock VW system is good - damn good. It's also expensive, since there are two mufflers. The popular replacements are Ansa, Gillet, and Leistritz. For the Golf, the Ansa system sure sounds and looks nice but apparently increases backpressure. The Leistritz and Gillet systems also sound nice, but are even more expensive than the stock system. Both are reputed to give a slight power advantage over stock, and both are noticably louder than stock. The other possibilities are specialized mufflers with custom-bent pipes to make them ojyHxB fit. I am going with a stainless steel Supertrapp muffler with a custom pipe, and just skipping the middle muffler. Another good muffler to consider is the Walker Dynomax, but it's not adjustable like the Supertrapp. Both these systems end up being less expensive than any of the others, but unless you can weld and bend pipes you can't install them yourself. > On a different note, would a K& N filter benefit an '87 Golf to any > degree? Thanks in advance for the info. I use a K&N Filtercharger. I don't know if it makes any difference, but they're cheap and you won't have to replace it ever again, so what the hell.Z3f(xBJ -- Mark Sirota - University of Rochester, Rochester NY Internet: msir_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu UUCP: {decvax,harvard,ames,rutgers}!rochester!ur-cc!msir_ltd  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 1 Apr 90 18:05:13 EDT Received: by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id ag01588; 1 Apr 90 17:40 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa09660; 1 Apr 90 1:05 EST Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA00474; Sat, 31 Mar 90 23:38:18 EST Received: from EDDIE.MIT.EDU by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with SMTP (5.61/25-eef) id AA00470; Sat, 31 Mar 90 23:38:13 EST ReceEKnJ}xC ived: by EDDIE.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA06595; Sat, 31 Mar 90 23:37:04 EST Date: Sat, 31 Mar 90 23:37:04 EST From: "Robert E. Seastrom" Message-Id: <9004010437.AA06595@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> To: DPARMENTER%HAMPVMS.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu Cc: elbows@bloom-beacon.mit.edu In-Reply-To: One Nation Under A Groove's message of Thu, 29 Mar 90 16:46 EST <9003292206.AA07333@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU> Subject: One vote for VMS!! (VMeSs) From: One Nation Under A Groove From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" If you had a uVax I, what OS would you puq)xCJt on it? I'm thinking VMS... One hearty "yes" vote for VMS, especially 5.whatever-they-re-up-to-now. It rocks. I don't believe 5.x will run on a Microvax I. At least, I don't think it's supported. I know for sure that it isn't supported on the 11/730 and 11/750, and I don't think on the 11/780 or 11/785 either. 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I'm proud of her And proud of him who would not be your dupes. To stay a Man, I give to you this shock: Behold, I bar the door on which you knock. [Copyright 1971, 1972, 1990 by Jeff Daiell. Permission to reproduce granted only if reproduced in full with credit to author.]  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 07:53:46 EST Received: from WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa24237; 30 Mar 90 7:48 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 05:15:37 MST From: VIDEOTECH-REQUEST@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Reply-To: VIDEOTECH@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Subject: VIDEOTECH Digest V9lK@exX@0 #257 To: VIDEOTECH@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Message-ID: <9003300748.aa24237@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> VIDEOTECH Digest Fri, 30 Mar 90 Volume 90 : Issue 257 Today's Topics: Critique of Sony XBR Off-air Surround Sound (2 msgs) Paramount seems to be getting the message... satellite receiver - audio subcarrier THE ABYSS on video: any confirmation of director's cut? Yet another XBR comment ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Mar 90 19:32:25 GMT From: network.ucko0SGxYsd.edu!celit!billd@ucsd.edu (Bill Davidson) Subject: Critique of Sony XBR Message-ID: <7636@celit.fps.com> billd@fps.com (Bill Davidson) writes: >4. The channel labeling is a bit stupid. It only allows you to label >32 channels and you only get 4 characters for each channel. I get >cable and I have over 40 channels available. The Discovery channel is >labeled "DISC" and Cinemax is labeled "CMAX". This should have been >easy and cheap to do right. One extra 256k cmos memory chip could have >held all the info. In article <1990Mar25.061132.16076@alzabo.uucp> brian@alzabo.uucp (Brian Hilchie) writes: >This is also o81xY@ne of my beefs with much of the audio/visual equipment >these days. For a few more cents per unit the programming/digital >portions of VCRs, CD players, etc., can be improved dramatically. >My only conclusion is that this is a purely marketing decision, i.e. >it is one way to separate the $200 units from the $1000 units. This TV goes for $1400 most places. Doing this right would probably cost Sony about $10-$15 at most in additional manufacturing costs. There is no excuse whatsoever. This is a high-end TV. Adding another $30 to the price is not going to scare customers away if they were already willing to part wixZth that much money (and we'll be happier). I just discovered another beef with this TV. The audio line output level is totally controled by the TV volume level. When you hook this up to an amplifier, you need the volume to be at least 2/3's to 3/4's of the way up in order to have a decent signal to the amplifier. This means that I have to disable the TV's speakers in order to run the TV sound through the amp. I'd like to be able to run both. I should be getting my service manual any day now. I hope it has some way to disable this or increase the the line level output relative to the volume enough that I can stand tob" LxZ@ have both sets of speakers going at the same time. --Bill ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 90 00:48:30 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!hp-sdd!hp-pcd!hpvcfs1!neff@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Dave Neff) Subject: Off-air Surround Sound Message-ID: <2000095@hpvcfs1.HP.COM> I'm sorry the L-R and L+R notation is so confusing. I am just using the notation commonly used in reference material regarding surround sound. L-R is not "L minus R", it is "rear channel" information, which specifically means right channel sound 180 degrees out of phase with left channel. L+R is not "L plus R", it cx[is "center channel" information which is simply the mono or common sound. The notation is obviously more confusing than descriptive, unfortunately, but I'm sure it made sense to whoever invented it :-). Last night I played with my copy of the laserdisc "A Video Standard". This disc has a variety of test tones (both constant tones and sweep patterns) which are directed specifically to the L, R, L+R (center) and L-R (rear) channels. When in surround sound mode, the sounds are basically identical regardless of which of the 4 channels are involved -- the only difference is what speaker(s) get the sound. But when in stereo459dEx[@ (2 speaker) mode, the L-R sound comes out of both the speakers "equally" but has a distinctly different quality than the L+R sound -- which also comes out of both speakers equally. To paraphrase the manual which comes with "A Video Standard", when in stereo mode, the L+R information sounds like it comes from between the 2 speakers. Makes sense, and that's why Pro Logic sends the L+R information to the center speaker. However, the L-R sound sounds "diffuse and directionless". This is a very accurate description of the effect as my ears heard it. So, my main question remains. Is this L-R sound added to most stereo musiqx\te: Sun, 1 Apr 90 01:14:59 PST From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days Message-Id: <9004010914.AA24061@Sun.COM> To: PAGANISM-REQUEST@mc.lcs.mit.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at lcs.mit.edu ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 421 melinar.corp.sun.com.: Host melinar.corp.sun.com. is down ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from lcs.mit.edu (MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06610; Thu, 29 Mar 90 00:27:02 PST Received: from mc.lcs.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa20662; \wBx\@ 29 Mar 90 3:12 EST Message-Id: Date: 29 Mar 90 02:40:37 EST From: Automatic Paganism Digestifier Reply-To: Paganism%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@Mintaka.lcs.mit.edu To: Paganism%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@Mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Paganism Digest #466 Paganism Digest #466 29 Mar 90 02:40:37 EST Today's Topics: books possible clarification of last posting ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <9003281747.AA04314@hi-csc.honeywell.com> Date: WCyx Vx]ed, 28 Mar 90 11:47:06 cst From: Brett Slocum To: uunet!mc.lcs.mit.edu!paganism@uunet.uu.net Subject: books First, some clarifications: Lloyd Alexander's series is the "Chronicles of Taran", not Prydein. Emma Bull's War for the Oaks is indeed set in Minneapolis. Emma is a native, and part of the same writer's group, the Scribblies, that Steven Brust is part of. And, yes, Minneapolis IS a magical place. Minnehaha Falls and Como Park are wonderful places, and the Witch's Tower (I forget what it was called in the books) was the perfect place for the events there. I feel blessed to lixx]@ve here. And the Twin Cities have a substantial Pagan community, that is pretty open (public rituals, openly Pagan stores, (not New Age, though there is that too.), etc.). Every year, the In the Heart of the Beast Puppet and Mask Theatre has a May Day Festival and Parade that is blatently Pagan, and a couple thousand people (not all Pagan) show up for a day of fun. They re-enact the return of the Sun with huge 30-foot puppets. Oh, well. Enough of advertising for Mpls. On to more books. Bradley's Darkover stuff is heavily Pagan, especially Thendara House, and the other Renunciate books. Thendara House has the 6eix^Beltane ritual in it. Wizard of the Pigeons by Megan Lindholm is a wonderful modern-day fantasy set in Seattle. Street people are magical. Strongly recommended. The Mabinogion (sp? probably Mabigonian), novelized by Evangeline Walton, is really good. Let's see, that's Prince of Annwyn, Song of Rhiannon, the Children of Llyr, and The Island of the Mighty. I haven't read it, but I recall that Little, Big by John Crowley has a pagan theme. As far as Shamanism, I've always thought Carlos Castenada was great fiction. And The Clan of the Cave Bear (Jean Auel) has some Shamanism in it. I have some short stories b6 N#x^@y former paganism mailing list participant Leigh Ann Hussey, but I don't know if they have been published anywhere. I seem to recall that one of them got published in the Dragon magazine last year (maybe 1988) of all places. I haven't read it but True Jaguar, by Norwood is Shamanic. Ooh, I almost forgot my favorite Shamanic book: A Mask for the General by Lisa XXXXX, shit, I can't remember. She also wrote The Red Magician. After te collapse of the USA, a military junta takes over. A bunch of folks out in Berkeley (and elsewhere) are Tribals, kind of like Punk Rockers, in it for the rebellion. They do dances, and Rx_wear animal masks, and belong to Totem tribes. Well, there is more to it than just fad. Good book. There is a film called The Wicker Man that is VERY pagan. I haven't seen it, but have had several people recommend it. -- Brett Slocum or Coward: One who in a perilous emergency thinks with his legs. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9003281752.aa26110@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 90 16:53 CST From: "I have one face, but many voices." To: paganism@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: possible clarification of lastBWx_@ posting Linda: I don't think I said that, or if I did, it was through over-brevity. 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BH~,~,>+ kII@ 8~ Rp` s3N@u+A@;oxj@l+CI 2Ns3R&+CA22{+A@t\+C9B2.&`A2ns,~kIO*s3ns|3Ns,~ t2p8~,~{,~ ,H t:.Bt2*t Jt,~r ,~ x0"'7@ 1`J `r ,~Ȁ+\XIhKS1+\ `̀ ,,r `  x223r&+d/&lKS1+d/@,``@``@+0`a@,~ %,5 @,#A  RpKI`6 T7 s` 2D`1,~ObTHI2"&O,>T,4yO{xk / R R3BT,~Sa@+6 s`I6@%`iUO@W`i"bJK+I€-2*s+ (~ R| s3R@u & Rs8++0@8+ |d:~΀2:t Zt`i2&s`;0AD Pt+@+H`@0`aligned along the long axis of the ship during its normal operation. Say >that the Discovery is pointed directly at, say, the moon. Now, let the >bearings on the carousel seize up. The ship will start to spin about its >long axis. There is a lower energy mode of this angular momentum value, >though, which is a spinning around the pitch or yaw axes. The fact that >the ship is not a perfectly rigid body, along with possible >gravitational influences from nearby Jupiter and its moons, will cause >the ship to settle into this lower energy mode, even without an external >net torque. The difference is l7gxl@that the ship itself will have rotated >through ninety degrees in shifting from the one mode to the other. Now, >the ship is not pointing at the moon, but is rotating around an axis >which points at the moon. > The angular momentum of this final system is the same, while the >energy is lower. You're quite right about this effect. Didn't we see a good example of this with one or two of the early Explorer series satellites? (Energy was dissipated by flexing of the four whip antennas. It was initially rotating about its long axis, but eventually started tumbling end over end.) I must admit, I've never been completely 5XX#xmclear on what happens to one of these systems when the object is rotating about axis with maximal moment of inertia. There's nothing to prevent it from radiating still more energy, (or is there?) How do we conserve momentum? There was a nice demo of this effect by one of the astronauts on Skylab, too. He used a half-filled Tang (?) container. The bottle was cylindrical, and energy was dissipated in the sloshing liquid. It took about 30 seconds to go from rotation about the minimal principal axis to rotation about a (degenerate) maximal axis. About 2010, though. If my none-too-perfect memory serves, wasn't the carouk Eu)xm@sel spinning about the yaw axis? (I.e. about a vertical axis, given the usual cinematic conventions.) To first order, the Discovery probably has equal moments about the pitch and yaw axes. When the bearings seize, the entire ship should rotate about the yaw axis to conserve angular momentum. (Surely that _must_ be the solution for an idealized cylinder, no?) Wasn't it shown rotating about the pitch axis? The explanation that you posit wasn't what they had in mind, even allowing a higher MoI in pitch than in yaw, because when they restarted the carousel, the ship stopped spinning. Had energy dissipation been part of tsxnhe mechanism, it wouldn't have returned to the original state. I think that some cinematic liberties were indeed taken with the laws of physics. On a related note, the producers weren't above making the earth spin backwards for the same reasons. The sunrise over the VLA that you see in the beginning of the movie is actually a sunset filmed in reverse. (Or do I have that backwards? Haven't seen the movie in a long time.) ----- This is a shared guest account, please send replies to dbriggs@nrao.edu (Internet) Dan Briggs / NRAO / P.O. Box O / Socorro, NM / 87801 (U.S. Snail) ------------------------------ Date: xn@Thu, 29 Mar 90 21:00:36 EST From: John Roberts Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are those of the sender and do not reflect NIST policy or agreement. Subject: Phobos, Deimos >Date: 28 Mar 90 15:08:46 GMT >From: aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!masticol@rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) >Subject: Re: Martian Stardard Time >Just out of curiosity, how large and bright would Deimos and Phobos >appear from the Martian surface? Would they have features observable >to the naked eye? Cast shadows? >- Steve (masticol@cs.rutgers.edu) The angular size of Phobos as seen from the surface should be$(*xo about .153 degrees - ~1/3.3 of the size of our full moon, so you should be able to see some detail. Deimos would be ~.023 degrees across, or ~1/44 of the size of the moon. You should be able to see that it isn't a star. John Roberts roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 90 20:52:02 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!zardoz.cpd.com!dhw68k!ofa123!Wales.Larrison@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Wales Larrison) Subject: Comparative Costs to LEO To all interested, here is a set of comparative cost/lb into Earth Orbit. Please, letkZZxo@'s argue from a realistic set of data - I've listed sources and assumptions to show you this is the real world. EDITORIAL COMMENT: I'm tired of seeing people buy the propaganda that the Space Shuttle "is by far the most expensive means of space transportation". It isn't. 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Lunde" Subject: Re: Nelson's Rival is Out Now! X-To: NIHONGO@MITVMA.MIT.edu To: Chris Stacy , "Jay L. Verkler" Message-ID: <8911231649.aa08984@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> The size of the new Spahn/Hadamitzky character dictionary is roughly that of Nelson's, except that it is about 20% thicker. The overall height and width is a tad smaller, though. What I am trying to say is that it is just like Nelson's as far as portability goes. -- Ken  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 23 Nov 89 15:43:35 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa06076; 23 Nov 89 15:37 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1685; Thu, 23 Nov 89 15:36:55 ES|"erxy~T Received: by MITVMA (Mailer R2.03B) id 4210; Thu, 23 Nov 89 15:36:55 EST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 89 15:36:52 EST Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Sender: Japanese Language Discussion List From: Scott Edwards Subject: Re: Nelson's Rival is Out Now! X-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu To: Chris Stacy , "Jay L. Verkler" In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 22 Nov 89 17:54:56 EST Message-ID: <8911231537.aa06076@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> The advantage of having th2bxz>e zyukugo (by the way, shouldn't that be "jukugo" in romaji--my Kenkyusha's New Pocket Japanese-English Dictionary edited by K. Masuda has it under "jukugo"??) is that the new user, when learning Kanji could see all the possible combonations of that Kanji vice with Nelson's can only see the Kanji combonations that have that Kanji as the first character. The only other way to learn Kanji combonations with the Kanji one is learning, that is not in the first character, is to come accross it when reading Kanji. This way has some advantage too--if you learn the basic meaning of each Kanji, then when you encounter it in a zyukugNSJP}xz~o, you can guess the meaning and then look it up and see how close you were.....improves the learning..... Also Dr. Unger made a statement about the redundancy of the Kanji might outweigh any advantage resulting from the multi-entry feature. Well, for me I believe repetition leads to memorization which leads to learning, so I welcome the multi-entry feature.... No one has commented on the size, although of only little importance, if it is bigger and more cumbersome than Nelson's, then that could be a factor in a purchasing decision.... Scott Edwards edwards@uhccux.bitnet  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15\wN4Ex{>044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 22 Nov 89 21:48:33 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa21066; 22 Nov 89 21:38 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 0406; Wed, 22 Nov 89 21:37:56 EST Received: by MITVMA (Mailer R2.03B) id 9475; Wed, 22 Nov 89 21:37:55 EST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 89 20:35:00 CST Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Sender: Japanese Language Discussion List From: "Ken R. 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Verkler" In-Reply-To: <7596@viscous.sco.COM> Message-ID: <8911240317.aa19819@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> In article <7596@viscous.sco.COM> brigitte@sco.com writes: > >Thanks to everyone who responded about the J <-> E dictionaries. >I finally went to Kinokuniya in San Francisco and found a new >dictionary by the Japan Foundation (sorry I can't remember >the exact title!) that I actually liked. The Japan Foundation Basic Japanese-English Dictionary (ISBN 4-89358-004-3). >One more thing: I also bought the book "Making out in Jap GxAanese" >by Todd & Erika Geers and I like it. A new version is out with the title "More making out in Japanese" or something like that. _______________________________________________ ______________________ | | | | Paul Spee | ____|___|____ | | Research Development Corporation of Japan | __ | | __ | | Quantum Magneto Flux Logic Project | |__| _|_ |__| | | Computer Architecture Group | |__| _|_ |__| | | c/o Mitsui Zosen System Research | | p.qx |_|_| | | | 5-6-4, Tsukiji, Chuo-ku, Tokyo, Japan | | |_|_| | | | Tel. 03-546-7587, Fax. 03-546-7588 | | /|\ | | | spee%jrdc.go.jp@RELAY.CS.NET | | / | \ | | |_______________________________________________|______________________| #include  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 24 Nov 89 03:23:46 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa19809; 24 Nov 89 3:15 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 2346; Fri, 24 Nov 89 03:1d-/u!xA5:05 EST Received: by MITVMA (Mailer R2.03B) id 6648; Fri, 24 Nov 89 03:15:04 EST Date: Fri, 24 Nov 89 16:58:54 JST Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Sender: Japanese Language Discussion List From: Paul SPEE Subject: Re: Electronic Dictionary X-To: NIHONGO%mitvma.mit.edu@RELAY.CS.NET To: Chris Stacy , "Jay L. Verkler" In-Reply-To: <8911221142.AA17625@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU> Message-ID: <8911240315.aa19809@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> In article <89112211sLx42.AA17625@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU> klunde@vms.macc.wisc.edu writes: > > I own one of those new Japanese electronic dictionaries. It is called >the CANON WORD TANK (25,000 Yen -- ID-7000). > It has four dictionaries: a KANWA/KAN'EI, an EIWA, a WAEI, and a KOKUGO >dictionary. Actual Canon list for functions 1) Japanese/Japanese-English (kokugo/waei jiten), 2) Japanese character dictionaries (kanwa jiten) 3) English-Japanese (eiwa jiten), and 4) memo function (ever seen the paper version). My observations are: 1) The Japanese/Japanese-English dictionary allows entry of a word in romaji (converted to kana al qxAa wordpro) and displays the word in kanji (Japanese dictionary function) and English (Japanese-English dictionary function). However, it lists only one English word and it happened several times to me that it took some time before I caught it (I am not a native speaker). 2) The English-Japanese dictionary is very limited. Try to look up 'seismology'; you won't find it. In a earthquake-prone country as Japan, this is surprising. The Seiko (TR600?) contains it. A nice experiment is to give a Japanese an article from Time or Newsweek and let him lookup all the words he does not know. 3) The ? xEnglish-Japanese dictionary gives the words in kanji, not in kana. This is understandable as it is ment for the Japanese consumer. But the student of Japanese it is less suited. 4) The ID-7000 (Intelligent Dictionary-7000) is not always consistent. Lookup foreigner and you find gaikokujin. Now, try to lookup gaikokujin and you get 'Not Found'. There is only an entry for the less polite 'gaijin'. Another example, if you lookup norimono (vehicle) it gives you: kanji-no, kanji-mono. Better would be kanji-no, kana-ri, kanji-mono (there is no entry for nori in the kanji dictionary). (It is common tof-?xA write norimono with only kanji). In general, I find the Japanese-English, English-Japanese dictionary functions less than satisfactory. However, this does not mean, I am against this product. Some good points: 1) The kanji dictionary is very useful and I use it often. 2) An English translation of the Japanese manual is available from Canon. One final remark: a new version called the ID-7100 is available and has some extended functions 1) calculator, 2) JIS code in kanji dictionary, 3) select English word in Japanese dictionary and lookup in English Japanese (again as the English-Japanese dictionary is c in orderUJ=ox to exploit this sort of audio effect? If the effect of the L-R sound adds a degree of "ambiance" to the sound, that might explain why it sounds O.K. when sent to the rear speakers with a delay. But I still want to know what a recording studio is trying to accomplish with the L-R information and what kind of sound is layed down L-R on musical sources. Obviously, the presence of some L-R information whether off the TV of on musical sources does not imply the presence of true surround sound. However it suggests something is going on that might be an attempt at surround sound, might be accidental, or might be an attempt atE~NRxA some other effect. I still want to know why it is on most all stereo music, but why it is not present on "Friday Night Videos", and why it does show up at times on TV programs that do not claim to be in surround sound but seem to use it at times (like the naration on "Wonder Years") in a way that seems to make a degree of sense. But please everybody, L-R information is not automatically present in all stereo sources. It is the case that some L+R information is on any stereo source since there is always some sound in common to both speakers. Consequently, a mono source is all L+R and cannot possibly have any L-R infor 5kx mation. So when I watch TV, a videotape, or laserdisc, if my AV receiver shows the presence of some L-R sound, I keep it in Dolby Pro Logic and give it the benefit of the doubt :-). If this sounds weird I will then put it in a simulated surround mode. Certain "weird" effects that I listen for are a very weak or noisy rear channel or significant amount of dialogue coming out the rear channel. I got a free copy of "A White Christmas" on laserdisc which has both simulated stereo and simulated surround sound (this is mentioned on the liner). Let me tell you, it sounds awful in surround sound mode and is truly a case whenx A it sounds better in stereo than in surround sound, despite some effort at providing rear channel information. In fact, this was the first thing I tried playing when I got my AV receiver, so I did not have a very good initial impression of surround sound :-). Unfortunately, you can't rely on the presence of some sort of "In Dolby Surround Sound" logo at the start of a program -- or even labeled on a video tape or laserdisc -- to tell you what to do. Many off the air broadcast movies do have the surround sound track, but some do not. Deciding what kind of surround sound mode to use when watching broadcast TV seems to1 ;ekx  be a hit and miss trial and error process at this time. Since "home theater" and AV receivers seem to be a trendy concept at this time I would hope the TV networks catch on and start pushing surround sound. Then we may see more logos at the start of programs indicating surround sound. On the one hand, its confusing to decide what sound mode to use for off the air broadcasts. On the other hand, if you just put it in whatever sounds best to you, the main problem is just having to play around with the sound mode for each particular program and then decide what mode to use. 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True, they do reflect the views of some of our leaders, but > > > remember that they came out of a 19th century revival movement. > > > > Be careful here. My only reply to this is - have you read the book of Moses > > in the P of GP lately? > > > > -- > > Brian R. Bainter KA7TXA > > gatech!kd4nc!trantext!brian or > > gatech!tomcat!brian > > Well, yes. What's your point (note that I'm not the one to whom your > question was addressed)? > > Mike Sellers > The point here is that the book of Moses was not invented by any 19th century (og>Br any other century for that matter) Protestants. It was also not a party to possible mistranslations of the Bible. It was given as direct revelation while retranslating the Bible. It was also originally a result of a revelation given to Moses. Now considering all of this, the following questions must be asked, and those are: Can or will God lie to us? If this revelation is indeed true, is the creationist premise strictly a result of 19th century revivals? In answer to the first question, I think we can refer to one of the titles of Satan, that being "The Father of All Lies". I think that in fact if God did lie, he wa-}*ould soon cease to be God. The ends seldom justify the means. As for the second question, I don't know of any traditional Christian religion, whether it be Catholic or Protestant, that has not always believed the book of Genesis. Maybe I have missed what Greg was trying to express as the "religious system" here. If I have, I apologize and would be most eager to be enlightened. If I have not, we must remember that we have not one, but two witnesses here of the creation of the world and man. Three if you count the temple endowment. These are witnesses that must not be shrugged off lightly. -- Brian R. 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Here are some of the ideas I picked up from the talk: Our concepts of "race" are pretty bogus. They are too big: Sharon pointed out that "Oriental" (or "Mongoloid") includes Native Americans, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and South East Asians. The boundaries of race change, depending on who makes the categories. White people use the term "black" to refer to anyone who is "dark"; but within black culture there are many degrees of blackness (but this is not often spoken of out loud. I think Spike Lee made a movie -xP@about it.). White people see Kenji as "half Japanese", but Japanese see him as "half-white". There's a persistent denial in the Black community that there are actually gay black people. People say instead that black homosexuals were "perverted" by white people (e.g. the black lesbian who goes to an all-white girl's school was obviously corrupted there, or is just being used by an exploitative white woman.) This makes it important for, for example, black lesbians to see and be with other black lesbians, to be reminded that they are not the only one. There's also a running thread of saying that some one is not "really.xQ" black - this can be applied to gay blacks, or anyone else seen as not fitting the stereotype, and it can come from outside (e.g people with racist ideas can accept *one* black person into their lives without dropping their racism by explaining that "so-and-so is not like those `other' blacks") as well as inside. One aspect of this denial is to explain gay black people as "exotic" - for instance, Gary said that some people thought (for no good reason) that he came from a very wealthy Carribean family, or from London. When Gary talks, if you close your eyes, he sounds like a educated man from a priviledged family. He doxQ@es not match your sterotype of how a southern Black with working class parents should talk. So it seems that people more easily accept him as a black by taking him to be exotic. Minority groups often demand that those who are in that group put their first loyalty to that group. So, for instance, one woman from the audience, a Jew, told us that her relatives who once used to say to her: "Marry anyone you want: income and race don't matter so long as he's Jewish", and now they say: "as long as *she's* Jewish" But it also seems that until people come out and accept their gay identity, they are cut off from their racial or -F+xRethnic identity. People spoke of not appreciating their own culture or personal beauty (different from prevailing white standards) until after coming out. A big controversy began when Sharon said that not being sexually attracted to people on the basis of race was racism. This created a lot of confusion. One man asked (with some enthusiasm, I thought) whether he should immediately begin sleeping with men of many different races. Other people objected to the "tokenism" of this idea. I spoke up with a practical suggestion, that rather than starting with sex first, that people instead just work on making friends with pj2\kxR@eople of other races (or the same race, in some cases). We have lots of confusing ideas about love and sex, (for instance, that attraction is mysterious and uncontrollable) but most of us can agree that you could, for instance, go to the movies with someone no matter what race they are. Later, some people talked about how they took their standards for attractiveness from whatever culture they were in at the time. One example was a woman who, when attending an almost all white school, found whites attractive (and was not herself able to get dates). Later, attending an all-black school, she had better luck. I think this a.xSgrees with me: once you come to know someone as people, you can come to know them as attractive. There was also a huge bitter controversy about adoption of people of different races. I left in the middle of this (after almost two hours of discussion I had had enough.) Some people say that white people won't be able to supply the culture than a non-white baby will need when growing up. Personally, I think this is very confused - it's not as if culture was written into our genes or something. Besides that, some of the children adopted have no "native culture" - I'm referring to the children born to Vietnamese mothers frUjxS@om white or black American fathers. On the other hand, it's clear that white parents will probably be ill-prepared to help their children face racism when they grow up.  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 2 Mar 90 18:01:43 EST Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa29386; 2 Mar 90 17:59 EST Received: from M11-116-7.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18268; Fri, 2 Mar 90 18:00:07 EST From: jleah@athena.mit.edu Received: by M11-116-7.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA04216; Fri, 2 Mar 90 17:59:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 90 17:59:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9003022259.AA0421~ Km"xT "But those are the most blatantly Christian books ever written!" you might say. Perhaps. On the other hand, what a strange version of Christianity it is! Fauns and Satyrs engaged in midnight dances, references to Bachus making an appearance at one of Aslan's revels, frequent references to river and wood spirits (a gripping scene occurs in "The Last Battle" where a Dryad appears before the king, but her tree is suddenly cut down and she vanishes), occasionaly references to astrology (if Aslan is gonna show up, the stars will show it), and of course Father Christmas - a decidedly non-christian interpretation in my humble o>R/ xT@pinion. Of course, the themes are Christian, but the imagery is as Pagan as it gets. Of course on the other hand, the villain of the first book IS The White Witch, so you can interpret that as you will. Of course, my all-time favorite Pagan literary endeavor is "The Maypole of Merry Mount" by Nathaniel Hawthorne, especially given the possible historical basis for the events described therein. It describes the events surrounding a confrontation between a group of dour Puritans and some May Day revelers. Perhaps a historian of Massachusetts could shed some light on how true this was? >There is a film called The Wickex_IL;xUr Man that is VERY pagan. I haven't >seen it, but have had several people recommend it. Extremely. It's a very good movie, with Christopher Lee (star of all those wonderful Hammer Dracula films) as a leader of a modern Pagan group. It has a lot of interesting commentary on what people will and won't accept as a part of orthodox religion. The main character is a devout Christian who is sent to investigate the disappearance of a girl from this community. Unfortunately, most people kind of bristle at the ending. *spoiler alert* The ending involves the Christian being sacrificed to appease the gods. However, the ma qsxU@nner in which this proceeds is extraordinarily clever. He essentially engineers his own destruction, and is given ample opportunity to avoid his doom. Given that the film is by Anthony Shaeffer whose previous films include "Sleuth", one can expect a lot of interesting twists and turns. It is in my opinion, a pretty great film, but I think the human sacrifice angle could have been handled differently. I know a lot fo neo-Pagans who disavow the film on this basis. It also manages to throw in some cheap sensationalism (at one point the Christian is tempted by Britt Ekland in her birthday suit doing some erotic gyrations - YxV the idea being that if he submits to her wiles, he'll no longer be a virgin and thus unfit for their sacrifice). This may offend some viewers sensibilities. Dan Parmenter BITNET:dparmenter@hampvms.bitnet INET:dparmenter%hamp@crash.cs.umass.edu (fast) PHYSICAL:box 808; Hampshire College; Amherst, MA 01002 (413) 549-4600 x343 "Please little girl, you know I want to be your boyfriend" -- Joey Ramone ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9003292303.AA07606@buclaa.bu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 90 18:03:11 EST From: Laura Von Bosau To: paganism@mc.lcsr?o[NxV@.mit.edu Subject: fundies, opinions and open-mindedness Ellen Keyne Seebacher wrote to me privately regarding the term "fundies," and opinions/open-mindedness. We agreed to move our discussion to the list so that others might share their thoughts and views on the subject. Ellen wrote: >>At several points, like many of us on the mailing list, you refer to >>"fundies." I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't a dangerous term for us >>-- we can make our opponents seem inferior to us by using a derogatory >>term. I use "fundies" myself (I also have fundamentalists in the family >>-- my mother asv xWnd sister!), but I'm growing increasingly uncomfortable >>with it; it sounds to me like discussing our differences with "Hymies." >>(I occasionally have the same feeling about "Christianoid," another word >>essentially equivalent to "fundie.") >>Do you ever have the same feeling? Is it possible to refer respectfully >>to our opponents, and their right to hold (mistaken) opinions, without >>respecting those opinions? I replied as follows: >This is hard to reply to. I guess I've never thought of the word "fundie" >as a derogatory term. I intended its use more as an abbreviation for >"fundamentalist." I suspect mostR:xW@ Pagans use "fundie" as a slang term with >varying degrees of belittlement implied. >Thinking about it a little more in depth, I'm not sure that we as Pagans >can use *any* slang term, such as "fundie", to describe a group that, >generally speaking, we have a great number of issues with, and have that >slang not become at least somewhat derogatory. I agree that it can easily >be (and probably is) a "catch-all" phrase to describe the narrow-minded, >extremist, literal (as in taking the Bible too literally) Christian who >has a disregard for the rights of humans, animals and nature and who >encourages war, torture, death ag^M:|xX* R$\mF7x3F@2H VH3ZGH! h$@0]LVp]2X,B4]B1.B$H&(1X-F`: FH:F(&H3H 'HMv@777]mF(. *! fs qp ptr[9 !* save pdl pointer for unwinding! FQ(0FO..QAuto Save Filenames)-1"L FS MSNAME:F6[0 :I*DSK:0;_SAV00 > M.VAuto Save Filenames ]0' !* On non-meta keyboards, allow Alt 1 2 to mean an arg of 12, as long as user! !* ha/In[x]!s not reconnected meta-digits. 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F~JMAILT "E :IEditor TypeMAILT :iDefault Major ModeText f~ModeText"n M(M.MTEXT MODE)' fr !* Text mode if not in it yet.! 0FO..Q Inhibit Help Message"E FTEdit escape from :MAIL to EMACS. TyCPT6x^!pe ^C^C to return to MAIL. '' F]D FILE 1:< QFind File Inhibit Write UInhibit Write > !* Process the JCL! 0[0 0[1 Z"E FJ' ZJ !* Get JCL, or use whatever previous init file left in buffer.! ."N !* Process JCL command - extract filenames and commands! 0,-1A-"E -2D' !* REMOVE CRLF AT END IF ANY *! J :S"N .,Z^ FX1 -D' !* IF COMMANDS TO EXECUTE, PUT THEM IN Q1! HFX0' !* IF FILE TO BE READ, PUT NAME IN Q0! HK 0FS MODIFIED 0FO..Q Inhibit Help Message"E Q0"E Q1"E !* If no commands / file to read, offer help.! qEMACS Version:\[1 x^a !* get version no. as string! FTEMACS Editor, version 1 - type Help FS %TOFCI"N FT(Top-H)' "# FT(^_H)' FT for help.  ]1 ''' FQ0"G 0fo..qTags Find File"e QInhibit Write, M(M.M Visit File)0' !* Visit file specified.! "# m(m.mFind File)0'' !* unless user generally likes Find File,! !* in which case use it! Q1"N M1' !* Execute any commands from JCL! q9fsqpunwind @%`?@%`[@ߧٍ@!n|e_Uٛ@ٵ@$~ -G@7@%Z2@%Z>@%ZH<ڟ@v Q@%ZW#@@%Zg@:#@[@%Z~Q@%[_I@%[=gX~_pV@%[Gۥۻ@%[}@%\ @%\@%\Uߐ{M`dc,X 0  H x ` @ h %8P08``0,J,a-[I,]_: &P)`J$x&NGD R%d$KITH* HT *Kh!KID)KITH* HT *NIV4[ WQ (6[md9]-bp1[mSpB@21xd6@M11-116-7.MIT.EDU> To: sexual-politics@MC.lcs.mit.edu Subject: [rdonovan@LYNX.NORTHEASTERN.EDU: forwarded survey] From: rdonovan@LYNX.NORTHEASTERN.EDU Date: Thu, 1 Mar 90 12:56:25 EST To: elbows@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU Subject: forwarded survey Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. I got this from another list I am on, and since she wants it spread to as many people as possible, I figured I would forward it out to elbows. Reply directly to the address below... --regis ******************************************************************* Date: Thu, 22 Feb 90 16:09:48 cst From: "just HJ (Pyle,He#Suxd@ather-Jeanne)" I am doing a report on the invisiblity of survivors in a classroom situation. (preferrably in a college context) I have a questionaire that I have developed My end goal is to develop a policy that faculty/staff people will use to decrease the invisiblity of survivors of sexual abuse (or physical/mental abuse) Here is the questionaire, give to as many people as possible. ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* ***********************************************************)q7`yxe******************** Prelim question are you a survivor of sexual abuse. If so, go to #1 if not go to #4. 1)have you talked about your sexual abuse in a class setting? -->if so when? -->what reaction did you get at the time? -->what reaction did you get later -->would you do it again? 2)have you ever had your abuse intentionally invalidated in a classroom? 3)have you ever had your abuse unintentionally invalidated in a classroom? 4)do you think that survivors are invisible in the classroom? 5)if so, should this be the case? -->if you think not, what would you suggest to change it? 6)any other M?Z!xe@comments? 7)do you know of any colleges that have a policy about survivors and/or decreasing the invisibility of sexual abuse. Please send answers to any/all questions to PYLE@GRIN1 (I will not use your name) thanks for your time and response, HJ Pyle (20 year old survivor at Grinnell College) ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* thanks so much for your help! HJ  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) oH6fxfby MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 2 Mar 90 14:57:39 EST Received: from apple.com by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa20609; 2 Mar 90 14:52 EST Received: by apple.com (5.61/25-eef) id AA03407; Fri, 2 Mar 90 11:40:36 -0800 for From: nli!jym@apple.com Received: by nli.com (3.2/nli-uucp1.0) id AA00748; Fri, 2 Mar 90 11:16:02 PST Received: from nlp9 (nlp9.nli.com) by nlp3.nli.com (4.0/nli-gw1.0) id AA14849; Fri, 2 Mar 90 11:15:16 PST Received: by nlp9 (3.2/NLI1.0) id AA00304; Fri, 2 Mar 90 11:12:38 PST Date: Fri, 2 Mar 90 11:12:38 PST Message-Id: <9003021912.AA00304@nlp9> To: sexual-politics@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: In Search Of . . . Dent f@al Dams Organization: Natural Language Inc. The Search For Dental Dams ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [In our last thrilling episode, Cheryl and Deb and Kim were reading _On_Our_Backs_ and discovered something called "the suck, pop method," a cunnilingus technique achievable with dental dams. Jym prevails upon his electronic cohorts for information about obtaining dental dams, and gets lots of helpful advice.] Episode 2 ~~~~~~~~~ Jym = me Cheryl = my S.O. and roommate Kim = my roommate Deb = Kim's lover, practically a roommate Larry = my roommate Francesca = Larry's lover, pGm gxgractically a roommate Julie = practically a roommate There being no dental supply houses in the sleepy bedroom community of Fremont, CA, Jym heads up to Berkeley to work on porting his company's whiz-bang product to his former company's new as-yet-unreleased whiz-bang computer, and misses out on all this fun. Fremont has a "dirty book store" that sells "novelty items." Cheryl goes there from time to time to pick up the Bay Area gay newspapers (this being the only place in Fremont that sells them). She made the mistake of asking for _On_Our_ _Backs_ there once, explained to them what it was, and qd6txg@ has gotten the evil eye there ever since. They don't seem to carry the gay newspapers quite so well anymore either. At any rate, it seemed like an unpromising place to obtain dental dams, so Cheryl, Kim, Deb, Larry, Francesca, and Julie headed off to the local Mom-and-Pop drugstore (where better to get suck-and-pop supplies?). "You want *what*?" The bespectacled woman behind the counter looked at them over her bespectacles. "Dental dams. Little pieces of latex about 4-inch by 4-inch." The woman wrinkled her nose, perhaps trying to figure out who of the six people crowding her litt.tpyyEha/%zP!@ hH j +` @a/%zP!@ hIj@g&~@(O@@a/%zP!@ P9H@j@g&~@(O(y`@)s @o#MZP!@@ @)s system being debugged.system no longer being debugged.@5@@system revived.system going down in minutes, seconds.>sI?=`[M@`0+`  8,~P@++ :PDUMP DSK:DEVICE;CHAOS FILEZB7xlrt for example laboured mightily to produce a contraption that leaked like a seive) that the percentage of tents which attempted to look period was in fact higher than at the most recent pensic. Also, one of the features at Pensic VI was the Two-Chucks howling at the moon. By contrast, at the most recent pensic Lord Barak Raz laboured mightily for many hours (destroying his voice in the process) to help break up an agressive "ameoba" formation which in no ones imagination is even REMOTELY period. Both Lord Stewart and Lord Barak have expressed to me privately that perhaps Pensic has become too large and that as a resuC?sxl@lt people don't know each other and as a result don't feel motivated to attempt to either look or behave in a more medieval manner. Both have suggested "theme" pensics as an alternative. A possible partition of pensic along the lines of period and ethos follows 1. Crusader 2. 100's war 3. Elizabethan 4. Asian Other possibilities include even a Greco-Roman pensic. If pensic were split now. We would still have more people at each of the theme Pensics than there were at Pensic VI. 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He is currently a graduate student at Boston University. April 6: ``Anarchism and Animal Rights'' Cynthia Newberry An exploration of the connections between anarchism and animal rights. The anarchist position against hierarchy and domination may not be complete without assuring the rights of non-human species, while the achievement of animal rights may not be possible within a capitalistic and hierarchical political system. Cynthia Newberry is an animal rights activist involved with several groups such as PETA and CEASE. She is a graduate student at Boston UniversB_>x@ity and a member of the Black Rose Collective. ** NOTE: This lecture will be held in MIT Room 34-101 ** April 20: ``Land \& Liberty: The Green Political Economics of Henry George'' Mitch Chanelis and Susan Witt Henry George argued a century ago that people should have an equal right to the riches of the earth and that the only just tax is a tax on the use of land. This talk will focus on how George's economics relate to contemporary ecologically-minded political visions. Mitch Chanelis is president of Fairness in Taxation and a member of the Eastern Massachusetts Greens. Susan Witt is the foun|cQx der of the Community Land Trust (Berkshires) and the director of Self-Help for A Regional Economy (SHARE). April 27: ``Anarcho-Feminism: A Spectre Haunting Deconstructionism'' Frieda Gardner Left-leaning deconstructionists could use the politics of anarcho-feminism, while anarcho-feminists could use the analyses of decon- struction -- but there are ghastly and ghostly problems. Frieda Gardner, anarcho-feminist, teaches English at Tufts, writes poetry, and attends meetings and demonstrations. May 3: ``Breaking the Law to Save Lives'' John Parker The growing magnitude of th5PIzx @e AIDS crisis, coupled with the government's criminal negligence in dealing with it, is causing people to take matters into their own hands. In some cases, this includes the use of means outside the limits of state approval, such as the distribution of clean needles to reduce the spread of HIV among IV drug users. John Parker is a member of the National AIDS Brigade. He was recently acquitted in a suit for needle distribution in Boston. This lecture is a benefit for the AIDS Brigade. ** NOTE: This is a Thursday lecture, and will be held in MIT Room 34-101 **  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCSՓ x .MIT.EDU; 8 Feb 90 12:32:21 EST Received: from life.ai.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa00909; 8 Feb 90 12:27 EST Received: from fruit-and-fibre (fruit-and-fibre.ai.mit.edu) by life.ai.mit.edu (4.0/AI-4.10) id AA04582; Thu, 8 Feb 90 12:27:48 EST From: "Liz A. Highleyman" Received: by fruit-and-fibre (4.0/AI-4.10) id AA01527; Thu, 8 Feb 90 12:27:37 EST Date: Thu, 8 Feb 90 12:27:37 EST Message-Id: <9002081727.AA01527@fruit-and-fibre> To: sexual-politics@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Liberating Male Sexuality I am re-posting the following from another source, in the hopes it will be of interest tu)\@x @o people on this list. -Liz Liberating Male Sexuality by Rick Blum from "Men Freeing Men" Life-events, at their best, and lovemaking, at its best, share similar dynamics. The time is right; all energies are drawn into harmony. Our resistances are easily seduced by the appropriateness of the moment. The impossible becomes possible: pain and fear dissolve under the gentle massage of love and pleasure. An all-absorbing climax leaves excited and satisfied hearts to notice that nothing is now the same as it was. I shared in such an event during the second weekend in September. After years of requests, Bet@J/=x ty Dodson, the author of Liberating Masturbation and the originator of the "Body Sex Workshop," agreed that the time was finally right for her first all-male workshop. It was with embarassment, fortunately tempered by enthusiasm, that she recalled having previously said that "women should teach women, and men should teach men." Her solution was the intention that we all learn from each other and we did. To understand what it was like to participate in her workshop, you have to know something of Betty. She is unique. Compact, strong, and radiant, she seems to have a sexual relationship with reality, and the attractio! Received: by fruit-and-fibre (4.0/AI-4.10) id AA00273; Mon, 18 Dec 89 11:08:34 EST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 89 11:08:34 EST Message-Id: <8912181608.AA00273@fruit-and-fibre> To: sexual-politics@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: China - porn control Another example of control attempts run amok... --------/ahNx@- Source: BEIJING (UPI) December 13, 1989 Students in an elementary school class, fired up but confused by the government's massive anti-pornography media blitz, turned in their nude baby pictures to their teacher, a letter in a state-run newspaper said Wednesday. The letter in the China Youth News from a "concerned citizen" cautioned that there is such a thing as too much propaganda and warned that bringing the anti-smut campaign to the elementary school level had brought unexpected results and created confusion among youngsters. In one case, the letter said, primary school pupils asked their teacher the defCKuYxinition of a "nude picture" and were told "anything naked from the waist up." They responded by dutifully bringing in their own baby pictures for confiscation. "The teacher did not know whether to laugh or cry," said the letter. In other cases, primary and middle school students, told they were being organized to "clean up pornography," thought they were being taken outside to sweep the streets. Others reportedly handed in children's periodicals and picture books in an effort to comply, while one child carefully weeded out all books with yellow covers to hand in. The word "yellow" in Chinese is a euphemism for obscen\x@e or erotic material. "Children are like a piece of white paper," the letter said. "It's very difficult for them to hide dirty things in their ignorant minds ... it's not proper to 'clean up pornography' among primary school pupils." The anti-pornography blitz is part of China's recent nationwide campaign against a variety of social ills. Pornography has been officially branded as one of "six evils" to be wiped out nationwide. The other five vices are gambling, drug trafficking, swindling, selling women and children, and con games employing superstition. --------- -Liz  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) d\lX)xby MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 18 Dec 89 10:52:49 EST Received: from Gateway.Think.COM by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa25819; 18 Dec 89 10:50 EST Return-Path: Received: from Confucius.Think.COM by Think.COM; Mon, 18 Dec 89 10:51:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 89 10:49 EST From: "Gary L. Drescher" Subject: Beijing's anti-porn campaign To: ZVONA%AI.AI.MIT.EDU@MINTAKA.lcs.mit.edu Cc: sexpol@mc.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <680252.891216.ZVONA@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: <19891218154912.2.GLD@CONFUCIUS.THINK.COM> I read an earlier article that reported a different failure mode among adolescent schoolkids b{x@in Beijing, who actually understood what sort of material they were supposed to confiscate and turn in to their teachers. Unfortunately, the only way they could "confiscate" enough pornography to meet their quotas was to go out and buy it, which created financial hardship for their families, and caused a sizable increase in porn sales.  Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 16 Dec 89 15:28:46 EST Date: Sat, 16 Dec 89 15:31:49 EST From: David Chapman To: sexpol@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <680252.891216.ZVONA@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Anti-Pornography Campaign Affecte xd Primary School Kids Source: BEIJING (UPI) December 13, 1989 Students in an elementary school class, fired up but confused by the government's massive anti-pornography media blitz, turned in their nude baby pictures to their teacher, a letter in a state-run newspaper said Wednesday. The letter in the China Youth News from a "concerned citizen" cautioned that there is such a thing as too much propaganda and warned that bringing the anti-smut campaign to the elementary school level had brought unexpected results and created confusion among youngsters. In one case, the letter said, primary school pupils asked theW?x@ir teacher the definition of a "nude picture" and were told "anything naked from the waist up." They responded by dutifully bringing in their own baby pictures for confiscation. "The teacher did not know whether to laugh or cry," said the letter. In other cases, primary and middle school students, told they were being organized to "clean up pornography," thought they were being taken outside to sweep the streets. Others reportedly handed in children's periodicals and picture books in an effort to comply, while one child carefully weeded out all books with yellow covers to hand in. The word "yellow" in Chinese is a euphlwV$xD: <9003311136.ab18551@delta.eecs.nwu.edu> TELECOM Digest Sat, 31 Mar 90 11:35:00 CST Volume 10 : Issue 223 Inside This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson US Sprint -- A Case Study in Misinformation [Steven King] Tel Codes - NPA/NXX to City/State/Province Tables [Dave Leibold] Re: Cellular Phone Recordings [John G. De Armond] Cellular Call Billing Procedures [John Covert] Re: Historical Query: Carterfone [Fred R. Goldstein] Re: Itemized Billing in the UK [Dave Horsfall] Re: Room to Room Dialing In Hotels [jeh@simpact.com] Announcements [TELECOM ModerVMx@ator] Master Clocks Around the World [TELECOM Moderator] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven King Subject: US Sprint -- A Case Study in Misinformation Date: 30 Mar 90 15:11:37 GMT Reply-To: motcid!king@uunet.uu.net Organization: Motorola Inc. - Cellular Infrastructure Div., Arlington Hgts, IL I just heard a US Sprint ad on the radio this morning. Talk about your basic misinformation! This is the kind of thing that keeps the technical illiteracy rate much too high, IMHO. Paraphrased: "For faxes you can't tell from the original, use USx Sprint. US Sprint uses fiber optic lines, and they're digital so they're just as good for data as they are for voice." WARNING, WILL ROBINSON! DANGER! DANGER! Correct me if I'm wrong (and keep the flamethrowers on "medium rare", please) but the quality of a fax is dependent solely upon the fax machine and not at all (or at least, very little) on the line quality. I assume fax machines use some sort of error-correction, so anything but truly horrid phone lines shouldn't affect it. I could see Sprint's point (sort of) if my fax machine injected digital data directly into their digital network. (HoФjx@ly ISDN, Batman!) But it doesn't. It's modulated to analog when I send it, and demodulated back to digital on the far end. I truly can't see where a "digital fiber-optic network" would yield a significant quality increase over, say, two tin cans and a reasonably good piece of string. (Well, I exaggerate, but you take my meaning... :-) I'm sure the reason for this misinformation is that the marketing droid doesn't know squat about the technical aspects of what he's selling. That's no excuse, mind you. --Steve King ------------------------------ Subject: Tel Codes - NPA/NXX tvQAZ6xo City/State/Province Tables Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 12:11:48 EST From: woody I have recently sent updated versions of the areas 204, 416, 604 and 902 exchange lists, and they hopefully should appear in the archives before too long. Also, thanks largely to corrections and advice from Carl Moore, there is an update area/country codes document sent along. Thanks also to those who discuss country codes for overseas dialing. These are part of a project called "Tel Codes" which seeks to compile information about exchanges, area codes and country codes. Thanks to TELECOM Digest and its partici ux@pants for information on area codes, country codes and other information. I am restricting my exchange lists to Canadian area codes at this point. However, if anyone wants to compile similar information for USA, please e-mail me (djcl@contact.uucp) and perhaps we can get other area codes into the archives. [Moderator's Note: In fact, these have been moved into the Archives, and now replace the original versions of the tables you sent a couple months ago. In the Archives, switch to the sub-directory 'npa' to find them. Thanks for sending them along. PT] ------------------------------ From: "John G. De Armond"o g4x Subject: Re: Cellular Phone Recordings Date: 30 Mar 90 06:06:17 GMT Organization: Radiation Systems, Inc. (a thinktank, motorcycle, car and gun works facility) >[Moderator's Note: You are not charged for incomplete call attempts to >mobile phones. By playing the recording to you after four rings, the >assumption is you will disconnect sooner and make a circuit available >to someone else. If the phone *was* turned on and within the service >area, then it would ring fifty times if you waited that long. At least here in Atlanta with BellSouth Mobility, this is not strictly true. I've just G x@been sitting here with my cellphone experimenting to confirm my previous experience. Here, the call goes to intercep in *about* 4 rings regardless. I say "about" because it seems to be a timed function rather than a ring count. The only exception to this is if the cellphone is busy. In that case, the intercept is immediate. >When the phone being called does not transmit a reply back to the base >right away saying 'here I am', then the celluar service provider tells >you right away the phone cannot be located, saving time for you and >airtime for them. The reason for four rings is because it takes about >that long foH;{x the print of the night nine months long in her body. Something grows. Something grows into her life that never again departs from it. She is a mother. She is and remains a mother even though her child die, though all her children die. For at one time she carried the child under her heart. And it does not go out of her heart ever again. Not even when it is dead. And this the man does not know; he knows nothing. He does not know the difference before love and after love, before motherhood and after motherhood. He can know nothing. Only a woman can know that and speak of that. That is why we won't be told what to d x@o by our husbands. A woman can only do one thing. She can respect herself. She can keep herself decent. She must always be as her nature is. She must always be maiden and always be mother. Before every love she is a maiden, after every love she is a mother. In this you can see whether she is a good woman or not." The men, in societies of this third type, were within one jot of being completely superfluous, and if, as some authorities claim, they can have had no knowledge of the relationship of the sexual act to pregnancy and birth, we may well imagine the utter abyss of their inferiority complex. Small wonder, fu~ri^Fxrthermore, if, in reaction, their revengeful imaginations ran amok and developed secret lodges and societies, the mysteries and terrors of which were directed primarily against the women! "The men's festivals not only were addressed to an ignoble, immoral aim, but strove for it through ignoble and immoral means. The aim was to undo the harmonious state of equal privilege and mutual reliance of the two sexes that originally had prevailed in their simple society, supported by economic circumstance, and to establish through intimidation and the ubjection of the women, a cruel ascendancy of the males." It is surely in thqD/Sx@e interplay and mutual spiritual fertilization of the sexes, no less than in the lessons learned of the animal, plant, and celestial kingdoms of the gods or in the profundities of the shamanistic trance experience, that the motivations of the metamorphoses of myth are to be sought. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All of this is taken out of Joseph Campbell's _The Masks of God: Primitive Mythology_ but not nececerily in the same order I presented it. thant ------- End of forwarded message -------  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 13 Nov 89 23 z\}x:03:59 EST Received: from media-lab.media.mit.edu by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa09082; 13 Nov 89 22:54 EST Received: by media-lab (5.57/4.8) id AA11644; Mon, 13 Nov 89 22:54:37 EST Date: Mon, 13 Nov 89 22:54:37 EST From: Jim Davis Message-Id: <8911140354.AA11644@media-lab> To: sexual-politics@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: DC Rally I got back from the DC rally for women's lives just a few hours ago. I was glad to see all the people there, including the ever-working Rebecca, but I feel disturbed by the speeches I heard. In the first two hours (I left during Evelyn Murphy's speech) I hearRgx@d an awful lot of politicians, and very few activists. The speakers were so damn careful to be mainstream. They talked of the need for abortions for women who had been raped or were victims of incest. NOBODY spoke of the need for abortion for women who had a failure of birth control, or didn't use any (or whose partners didn't use any) or who just changed their minds about whether to have a baby. Nobody tried to connect the "right to privacy" for an abortion to the right to privacy for gay sex or drug use. (not that these should be private only!) (I did see banners for the Libertarian party, calling themselves "pro-chCfN~xoice on everything", but they were not invited to speak.) (I also heard that David Dinkins (sp?) mayor-elect of NYC, called for coalitions with, among others, gay rights activists. But I shouldn't have to wait two hours to hear this once. The "pro-choice" forces claim a victory from the races for governorship in New Jersey and Virginia. Now it's unclear to me how much the candidates pro-choice stance had to do with their victories, but then I admit I'm uniformed. But I also read that this victory was won by portraying the other side as "radical" and the pro-choice side as "mainstream". You know what this means, thouux@gh? It means no more radicals on "our" side. When the anti-ERA forces want to mock us, they say we are in favor of unsegregated bathrooms. Did you notice how every single women's room on DC had a line a mile long? Damn, we *should* have de-segregated bathrooms. But there's no way we're going to hear that voice, now that pro-choice is "mainstream". It's coalition politics, and maybe it's the politics of victory, at least for that issue. I guess I admit that most of the politicians who spoke were the most progressive *elected* officials in the USA. 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Certainly they had bows and arrows with which to supply the camp with meat, yet, they asked, what use were such weapons against witchcraft and sickness? This tyranny of the women grew from bad to worse until it occurred to the men ty&=x @hat a dead witch was less dangerous than a live one. They conspired together to kill off all the women; and there ensued a great massacre, from which not one woman escaped in human form. "Even the young girls only just beginning their studies in witchcraft were killed with the rest, so the men now found themselves without wives. For these they must wait until the little girls grew into women. Meanwhile the great question arose: How could men keep the upper hand now they had got it? One day, when these girl children reached maturity, they might band together and regain their old ascendancy. To forestall this, the men |Ix!inaugurated a secret society of their own and banished for ever the women's Lodge in which so many wicked plots had been hatched against them. No woman was allowed to come near the 'Hain,' under penalty of death. To make quite certain that this decree was respected by their womenfolk, the men invented a new branch of Ona demonology: a collection of strange beings--drawn partly from their own imaginations and partly from folk-lore and ancient legends--who would take visible shape by being impersonated by members of the Lodge and thus scare the women away from the secret councils of the 'Hain.' It was given out that these |x!@creatures hated women, but were well-disposed towards men, even supplying them with mysterious food during the often protracted proceedings of the Lodge. Sometimes, however, these beings were short-tempered and hasty. Their irritability was manifested to the women of the encampment by the shouts and uncanny cries arising from the 'Hain,' and, it might be, the scratched faces and bleeding noses with which the men returned home when some especially exciting session was over." [Descriptions of the various monsters deleted.] The mythological 'apologia' offered by the men of the Ona tribe for their outrageous lodge was maW7o/x"rvelously close, as the reader may have noted, to that attributed to Adam by the patriarchal Hebrews in their Book of Genesis; namely, that if he had sinned, it was the woman who had done so first. And the angry Lord of Israel--conceived in a purely masculine form--is supposed to have allowed a certain value to this excuse; for he then promptly made the whole race of woman subject to the male. "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing," the Lord God is declared to have announced; "in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." A very different cvIax"@ourse of development is to be traced, however, in the sphere of the tropical grdening cultures, where a third type or stage of social organization matured that was almost completely antithetical to that of the hunting peoples. For in these areas it was the women, not the men, who enjoyed the magico-religious and social advantage, they having been the ones to effect the transition from plant-colletors of roots, berries, grubs of various kinds, frogs, lizards, bugs, and other delicacies. Societies of the second type evolved in areas where an abundance of large game occasioned a herculean development of the dangerous art of tE@Ck"x#he hunt; while those of type three took form where the chief sources of nutriment were the plants. Here it was the women who showed themselves supreme: they were not only the bearers of children but also the chief producers of food. By realizing that it was possible to cultivate, as well as to gather, vegetables, they had made the earth valuable and they became, consequently, its possessors. Thus they won both economic and social power and prestige, and the complex of the matriarchy took form. Said an Abyssinian woman: "How can a man know what a woman's life is? A womans life is quite different from a man's. God %,k$x#@has ordered it so. A man is the same from the time of his circumcision to the time of his withering. He is the same before he has sought out a woman for the first time, and afterwards. But the day when a woman enjoys her first love cuts her in two. She becomes another woman on that day. The man is the same after his first love as he was before. The woman is from the day of her first love another. That continues so all through life. The man spends a night by a woman and goes away. His life and body are always the same. The woman conceives. As a mother she is another person than the woman without child. 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Meaningful-Quote: le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connait point. This reminds me of the "Flirting" panels that were held at a few SFCons I was at. There was one for men, one for women, and one for both. A guy I was seeing at the time went to the men's one and I went to the women's one, then we both attended the final one. When I was at the women's one, the discussion was all "why d0Ba_jx:7on't men understand flirting"...that is, the consensus seemed to be that men either tended to ignore it, do it badly, or take it more seriously than it was intended. According to my friend, the men's panel was a discussion of "just what do women want, anyway"...the men felt like they couldn't communicate with the women. At the final panel, when we were all together, it was essentially women telling men what they "ought" to be doing. It wasn't vicious or any- thing, but I really felt that there was too much of a negative relation- ship between the men and women, although in this case both groups agreed that the men were "wrod4{x:wng". Muffy  Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 30 Mar 90 14:34:01 EST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 90 14:34:21 EST From: David Chapman Subject: personalities, magazine columns, gossip To: nli!jym@APPLE.COM cc: sexual-politics@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Fri 30 Mar 90 11:07:52 PST from nli!jym at apple.com Message-ID: <716349.900330.ZVONA@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Pat Califia has taken a job as editor of Advocate Men and is, consequently, moving to LA.  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lds-request@wsl.dec.com Resent-Message-Id: <9004010809.AA07142@gnome2.pa.dec.com> Resent-To: lds@wsl.dec.com Reply-To: lds@wsl.dec.com Subject: re: This whole evolution thing To: LDS Mailing List Date: Sat, 31 Mar 90 20:47:45 EST From: Brian Bainter In-Reply-To: <9003301913.AA29010@pdx.MENTOR.COM>; from "Mike Sellers"? olxT7 at Mar 30, 90 11:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] Message-Id: <9003312047.AA01263@trantext.UUCP> > > > > Why should we, of all people, cling so > > > tenaciously to a religious system invented by certain 19th century Protes- > > > tants? True, they do reflect the views of some of our leaders, but > > > remember that they came out of a 19th century revival movement. > > > > Be careful here. My only reply to this is - have you read the book of Moses > > in the P of GP lately? > > > > -- > > Brian R. Bainter KA7TXA > > gatech!kd4nc!trantext!brian or > > gatech!tomcat!brian > > Well, yes. What's your aX$7xTwpoint (note that I'm not the one to whom your > question was addressed)? > > Mike Sellers > The point here is that the book of Moses was not invented by any 19th century (or any other century for that matter) Protestants. It was also not a party to possible mistranslations of the Bible. It was given as direct revelation while retranslating the Bible. It was also originally a result of a revelation given to Moses. Now considering all of this, the following questions must be asked, and those are: Can or will God lie to us? If this revelation is indeed true, is the creationist premise strictly a result of 19th cenx xU7tury revivals? In answer to the first question, I think we can refer to one of the titles of Satan, that being "The Father of All Lies". I think that in fact if God did lie, he would soon cease to be God. The ends seldom justify the means. As for the second question, I don't know of any traditional Christian religion, whether it be Catholic or Protestant, that has not always believed the book of Genesis. Maybe I have missed what Greg was trying to express as the "religious system" here. If I have, I apologize and would be most eager to be enlightened. If I have not, we must remember that we have not one, but two wmO|6Uwitnesses here of the creation of the world and man. Three if you count the temple endowment. These are witnesses that must not be shrugged off lightly. -- Brian R. 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"Children are like a piece of white paper," the letter said. "It's very difficult for them to hide dirty things in their ignorant minds ... it's not proper to 'clean up pornography' among primary school pupils." The anti-pornography %?)xblitz is part of China's recent nationwide campaign against a variety of social ills. Pornography has been officially branded as one of "six evils" to be wiped out nationwide. The other five vices are gambling, drug trafficking, swindling, selling women and children, and con games employing superstition.  Received: from lcs.mit.edu (CHAOS 15044) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU; 14 Dec 89 15:21:37 EST Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by mintaka.lcs.mit.edu id aa03192; 14 Dec 89 15:17 EST Received: from W20-575-74.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06389; Thu, 14 Dec 89 15:16:07 EST Received: by W20-575-74.MIT.EDU (5.6^a||x\1/4.7) id AA28359; Thu, 14 Dec 89 15:15:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8912142015.AA28359@W20-575-74.MIT.EDU> To: sexual-politics%mc@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Feminism and anti-militarism (LONG) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 89 15:15:49 EST From: Seth Gordon The following essay might interest you--I wrote it for an American Women's History class. It's formatted for LaTeX. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% cut here %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \documentstyle[doublespace,12pt]{article} \title{The Peace of the Womb} \pagestyle{headings} \begin{document} \maketitle \begin{quote} \begin{description} \item[67m*=k3x.] Have you ever wished that your Midgetman could [be] ``modernized'' to an MX? \item[68.] Have you ever wished that your silo [could] be widened to fit a larger ICBM? \raggedleft (``The Draper House Purity Test'' 1989.) \end{description} \end{quote} \section{`Missile envy' versus mother love} In her 1984 book, {\em Missile Envy,} Dr.~Helen Caldicott analyzes the nuclear arms race, using the metaphor of a doctor examining a patient. One of her many diagnoses is gender-related. Caldicott sees essential connections between masculinity and aggressiveness, and femininity and pacifism. Citing Mark Gerzon's book {4x\\em A Choice of Heroes,} Caldicott asserts that American political and economic decisions are made by a white Anglo-Saxon male elite, and that because the country they manage has such great problems, we must examine their psychopathology. Gerzon reports that such men typically ``never show emotion, never admit mistakes, and are very dependent upon others of the same sex for peer-group approval.'' These men build more arms because they suffer from ``acute missile envy.'' (Caldicott 1984; p.~293.) Men in general, Caldicott says, are more aggressive than women, in part because of their hormones. She observes that men witYZIxh cirrhosis of the liver lose the ability to metabolize their own female hormones, and become ``physically and psychologically feminized'' as a result; women who receive male hormones react conversely. (Caldicott 1984; p.~295.) Women, on the other hand, are more in touch with their feelings, have reliable intuitions, are not afraid to admit mistakes, and ``innately'' understand how to resolve conflicts. According to Caldicott, women are natural nurturers, in part, because ``their bodies are built anatomically and physiologically to nurture life.'' Even women who are not mothers, and do not want to be, are affected by tuAYPAx\he ability to do so. (Caldicott 1984; p.~294.) Caldicott goes on to recall her own experience as a mother. ``After the births, if one of the babies cried in another part of the house, I was still so attached to them that my breasts prickled with milk. I have never been so fulfilled in my whole life and because it was the most creative thing I ever did, I would have given birth every year until menopause.'' She connects those feelings to women's ``hormonal constitution.'' (Caldicott 1984; pp.~294--95). ``The age of women has arrived,'' Caldicott writes. ``If we don't stand up and rapidly become elected to the hi4qxghest offices in the country and change America's national policies from those of death to those of life, we will all be exterminated.'' Women, she says, must develop their ``positive animus'' (male principle) so that they have the courage to take charge, and they must also help men get more in touch with their emotions. At the same time, they must not lose their compassionate ``positive female principle,'' lest they become like Margaret Thatcher and Indira Gandhi, who ``became, in fact, men.'' (Caldicott 1984; p.~300.) \section{Feminism and war} Feminists have a range of views on women's relationship with warfare.qm'x\ Carolyn M.~Stephenson (1983; pp.~290--91) writes, ``[S]ome feminism is compatible with pacifism and some is not.'' The non-pacifist, liberal women's rights activists want women to have equal rights with men in all activities, including warfare; they deny any linkage between women and peace; they claim that this alleged linkage is due to women's 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The purpose of a Body Sex Workshop for a woman in our culture was clear to me. For a man, I wondered. As I powerfully discovered, the attitude toward my sexuality which I have been trained to have is hardly positive, just as aggressiveness is not assertiveness, bravado is not confidence, and violence is not communication. To illustrate, Betty suggested, at one point, a somewhat embarassing exercise which had us moving as we do in "missionary position" sex, only without anyone on the "receiving" end. Our responses to the exercise surprised her: "I do29Aj,xn't understand, you're all doing it!" She began to relate to us how, at the women's groups, there is always a degree of hesitation about the exercises. Some might just watch. Others might cautiously investigate the movement. But not us: we were fucking the air as if we wanted to. Suddenly, it hit her: "Oh, of course, you're men: you're afraid _not_ to!" You couldn't ask for a more cooperative group of people than a group of men at a sex workshop. We had each been thoroughly trained to instantly refuse to "chicken-out" of anything, especially anything sexual. In addition, our group included a variety of therapists, ^"\x\who "should" be even more willing. We had to be sophisticated and brave and so we immediately followed orders. This one-hundred-twenty-pound woman had only to quietly suggest an activity, and her large students jumped into the best approximation of her wishes. Our clothes were off quickly. Immediately, Betty had us straining to straighten our Westernized backs, making ourselves dizzy with yogic breath-of-fire exercises, cooperatively examining our genitals before we even knew what we were looking for, obediently humping the air to music, and even swinging our hips in the most unmasculine fashion. Tom Sargent, a sex-G g`2xcounselor at the New England Sex Forum, is a delightful rogue whose input was central in helping to transform the workshop into a men's group. His first contribution, however, was an eight- inch rubber penis which he gift-wrapped for Betty with the fervent wish that she not feel left out in a room full of naked men. She graciously accepted the offering but had little use for it, I'm sure. The fact was that she had ten live penises, and their owners, at her command. We sometimes had no initial idea what an exercise was about; we acted out of the cultural rules which legislate male attitudes towards sexuality. Yet, the%x\ exercises themselves were often well-designed to break those rules. Something was beginning to happen. Among other things, we were laughing at ourselves quite a bit. It took us a full day to get afraid. Since men are not allowed to have doubts, it required half of the workshop for us to begin to share them. For women, who are ordered to be afraid by this culture, the best approach is to move away from fears in this type of workshop. For men, it is particularly liberating to spend some of the time sharing our fears in an accepting environment. So, while women fear sex, we discovered that men fear fear. Other comNxparisons became apparent. While women pressure themselves for orgasms on demand, we seek erections at will. While women are more comfortable with nudity among their own sex, heterosexual men are terrified of touch among their own sex. I soon realized that we men had our share of work to do. But it didn't feel like work. It felt like a celebration. The first day was fun and "light" in atmosphere. Laughter, time, and mutual acceptance were establishing a safe-culture for what we were about to do. The second day of the celebration included three difficult activities. We each were to give and receive a group-massa(Ox\ge, full-body. 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