Received: from SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 30 Sep 85 11:58:43 EDT Received: from RIO-DE-JANEIRO.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 323256; Mon 30-Sep-85 11:57:58-EDT Date: Mon, 30 Sep 85 11:56 EDT From: Kent M Pitman Subject: address change To: J.Dalton%uk.ac.edinburgh@UCL-CS.ARPA cc: lisp-forum-request@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: <132374-767-711@EDXA> Message-ID: <850930115625.3.KMP@RIO-DE-JANEIRO.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> From: DALTON FHL (on ERCC DEC-10) Date: Tuesday, 24-Sep-85 23:37:11-GMT To: lisp-forum-request , J.Dalton%edxa@UCL-CS.ARPA Re: address change Because of certain changes in Edinburgh, my network mail address will become invalid at the end of the week. My new address is just like the old, except that "edxa" must be replaced by "uk.ac.edinburgh". I updated LISP-FORUM@MIT-MC to point at your new address. -kmp  Received: from BRL-AOS.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA 27 Sep 85 11:23:19 EDT Received: from ucl-cs.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id aa01878; 27 Sep 85 11:20 EDT Received: from edxa.ac.uk by 44d.Cs.Ucl.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id a000985; 27 Sep 85 9:09 BST From: DALTON FHL (on ERCC DEC-10) Date: Tuesday, 24-Sep-85 23:37:11-GMT Message-ID: <132374-767-711@EDXA> To: lisp-forum-request , J.Dalton%edxa@UCL-CS.ARPA Subject: address change -------- Because of certain changes in Edinburgh, my network mail address will become invalid at the end of the week. My new address is just like the old, except that "edxa" must be replaced by "uk.ac.edinburgh". Thus, my new address is j.dalton%uk.ac.edinburgh@ucl-cs Please change your address list; the new address should already be valid. Cheers, Jeff Dalton, AIAI, University of Edinburgh sent on 24 Sep 85 --------  Received: from SCRC-STONY-BROOK by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 8 MAR 85 18:59:08 EST Received: from SCRC-RIO-DE-JANEIRO by SCRC-STONY-BROOK via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 192892; Fri 8-Mar-85 18:59:21-EST Date: Fri, 8 Mar 85 18:59 EST From: Kent M Pitman Subject: LISP-FORUM MAILING LIST To: FORDYCE%CSL60%TI-CSL@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-MACLISP-REQUEST@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: The message of 6 Mar 85 15:19-EST from TI Computer Science Lab, The message of 6 Mar 85 15:14-EST from TI Computer Science Lab Message-ID: <850308185929.7.KMP@RIO-DE-JANEIRO.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> Date: Wed 6 Mar 85 15:19:39-EST From: TI Computer Science Lab, Dallas Re: LISP-FORUM MAILING LIST PLEASE DELETE ... TICSL@BBNA PLEASE ADD ... LISP-FORUM-INCOMING%CSL60%TI-CSL@CSNET-RELAY Date: Wed 6 Mar 85 15:14:54-EST From: TI Computer Science Lab, Dallas Re: INFO-MACLISP MAILING LIST PLEASE DELETE ... TICSL@BBNA PLEASE ADD ... INFO-MACLISP-INCOMING%CSL60%TI-CSL@CSNET-RELAY Done. You might be interested to know that TICSL@BBNA is still on the following lists at MIT-MC: BUG-LISP, BUG-TERMINALS, C100-FANS, INFO-CRTSTY, INFO-MIDAS, MACLISP-FORUM, T1061-FANS. If you want to change any of those, or to have yourself removed, you can drop me a line directly (I'm not sure they all have -REQUEST lists associated with them). -kmp  Received: from BBNA.ARPA by MIT-MC.ARPA; WED 6 MAR 1985 1518 EST Date: Wed 6 Mar 85 15:19:39-EST From: TI Computer Science Lab, Dallas Subject: LISP-FORUM MAILING LIST To: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: FORDYCE%CSL60%TI-CSL@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA REPLY-TO: FORDYCE%CSL60%TI-CSL@CSNET-RELAY PLEASE DELETE THE FOLLOWING USER FROM THE LISP-FORUM MAILING LIST: TICSL@BBNA PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING USER TO THE LISP-FORUM MAILING LIST: LISP-FORUM-INCOMING%CSL60%TI-CSL@CSNET-RELAY REGARDS, DAVID FORDYCE TI-CSL 2060 SYSTEM MANAGER -------  Date: 9 Jul 1984 16:31-PDT From: Wade Hennessey Subject: list addition To: lisp-forum-request@mit-mc Message-Id: <84/07/09 1631.050@Whitney> Could you add me to the mailing list? Thanks.  Date: 6 Sep 1984 0221-PDT From: Paul E. Oppenheimer Subject: Use of lisp-forum To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-MC.ARPA cc: Oppenheimer at SRI-CSL.ARPA I am about to undertake the translation of a large body of interlisp into maclisp. I would like to locate lore and mechanical aids from veterans of similar undertakings. Is a message to lisp-forum to that effect appropriate? Has this been discussed in the recent past? I dislike seeing the mailing lists cluttered with novice questions, so I'll bug you personally instead. Thank you very much. Paul E. Oppenheimer -------  Date: 6 Sep 1984 0216-PDT From: Paul E. Oppenheimer Subject: Mailing list To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-MC.ARPA cc: Oppenheimer at SRI-CSL.ARPA Please add me to the lisp-forum mailing list. Thank you. Paul E. Oppenheimer -------  Date: 12 July 1984 06:24-EDT From: Kent M Pitman Subject: list addition To: wade @ SU-WHITNEY cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of 9 Jul 1984 16:31-PDT from Wade Hennessey OK. I added you. Don't be surprised if you don't get much for a while. This list lives dormant most of the time these days but is from time to time quite active. Keep in mind if you send anything to it, however, that there are a lot of people on it and that messages should be of very general interest and should be carefully thought out. Usually bouncing ideas off of one or more individuals on the list before sending to the entire list is the right strategy. Also, the reader base of the list is people with experience with any of the many lisp dialects; probably no single dialect is common to everyone. I guess that's most of the relevant bits I should push your way as an introduction. Welcome to Lisp Forum.  Date: 9 Jul 1984 16:31-PDT From: Wade Hennessey Subject: list addition To: lisp-forum-request@mit-mc Message-Id: <84/07/09 1631.050@Whitney> Could you add me to the mailing list? Thanks.  Date: 30 April 1984 18:39-EST From: Kent M Pitman Subject: eval-while-possible To: cfry @ MIT-OZ cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of 29 Apr 1984 23:30-EDT from Christopher Fry Date: Sunday, 29 April 1984, 23:30-EDT From: Christopher Fry To: lisp-forum at MIT-OZ, lisp-forum-scrc at SCRC-TENEX Re: eval-while-possible I've found the following function to be of general use ... The purpose of LISP-FORUM is not to provide a forum for software exchange. There is no one dialect which even unifies all readers. The purpose of the list is to discuss abstract issues of general interest to a large number of people. It is recommended that people bounce their ideas off of one or more others on the list specifically before sending mail to the whole list. The list is very large and it is important that a lot of message traffic not be wasted on things the value of which could be debated ad nauseum. -kmp  Date: 19 February 1984 15:49 EST From: Kent M Pitman Subject: Info about Lisp-Forum To: J.Dalton%edxa @ UCL-CS cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of 17-Feb-84 17:38:56-GMT from DALTON FHL (on ERCC DEC-10) Date: Friday, 17-Feb-84 17:38:56-GMT From: DALTON FHL (on ERCC DEC-10) To: me at edxa, lisp-forum-request Re: Request + Seeking information -------- LISP-FORUM@MIT-MC was mentioned in Franz-Friends recently, and since that is the only mention I can recall, I decided to write and ask for more information, specifically: what is the purpose of the group and is it possible to be added to the distribution list? I am currently working on porting Franz Lisp to the ICL/3 Rivers Perq and providing general Lisp support at the University of Edinburgh and thus feel the Lisp Forum might be of interest. Jeff Dalton Department of Artificial Intelligence University of Edinburgh 5 Forrest Hill Edinburgh EH1 2QL Scotland J.Dalton%edxa@ucl-cs The list evolved several years ago to provide an inter-dialectal forum for discussing issues about Lisp which were more general than a specific implementation. A lot of mail was sent in its early days but the volume has decreased radically since then; now it sits dormant for many months at a time. The only mail that crosses it these days are occasional mail about about historical issues or polls/queries which need a broad recipient base. There are two main reasons for the diminished use of the list. The first was that it was created as a medium for specific people (who knew well their subject area) to talk to one another and then a lot of people added themselves whose contributions were of questionable value, causing certain key people to eventually remove themselves from the list. The second was that although the body of people involved was interesting, no decision reached by the people on the list had any weight, so there was a measure of futility to it all. Most of the people who originally formed LISP-FORUM are now involved in the design of Common Lisp. Membership in that group is much more carefully controlled and its discussions have direct impact on the shape of many dialects, so it continues as a healthy entity. If you are interested in information about Common Lisp, you might contact Scott Fahlman (Fahlman@CMU) for details. There was also a paper about it in the 1982 ACM conference on Lisp and Functional Programming. Probably there will be another in the 1984 conference. In any case, since LISP-FORUM is basically an open list, I'll add you to that so you can follow future events on it. If you can get a file connection to the arpanet, you can get the archives of all the discussions from MIT-MC. They are in the following files (in order from newest to oldest): LSPMAI;LFORUM MAIL LSPMAI;LFORUM MAIL5 LSPMAI;LFORUM MAIL4 LSPMAI;LFORUM MAIL3 LSPMAI;LFORUM MAIL2 LSPMAI;LFORUM MAIL1 The remainder of this message is canned text that goes along to everyone that gets added to the list ... -----Begin Standardized Text----- Don't be surprised if you don't get much for a while. This list lives dormant most of the time these days but is from time to time quite active. Keep in mind if you send anything to it, however, that there are a lot of people on it and that messages should be of very general interest and should be carefully thought out. Usually bouncing ideas off of one or more individuals on the list before sending to the entire list is the right strategy. Also, the reader base of the list is people with experience with any of the many lisp dialects; probably no single dialect is common to everyone. I guess that's most of the relevant bits I should push your way as an introduction. Welcome to Lisp Forum.  Date: 17 February 1984 18:24 EST From: Kent M Pitman Subject: Lisp-Forum To: SAE-ADA @ USC-ECLB cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of 15 Feb 1984 06:24-PST from SAE-ADA at USC-ECLB Date: 15 Feb 1984 06:24-PST From: SAE-ADA at USC-ECLB To: lisp-forum Just recently I saw a reference to this list in the Arpanet Franz Friends list. Is it possible to join this list? If so, my address is: CSNet debbie.kei-vax.umcp-cs at udel-relay Arpanet sae-ada at usc-eclb Please let me know when this will become effective. Actually, "debbie.kei-vax.umcp-cs at udel-relay" is not a CSNet address. That's an arpanet address which reaches you via CSNet. I assume the CSNet address is some substring of that. You shouldn't bother with the "@udel-relay" part since if anyone can get to udel-relay in the first place, they should just be using the arpa address anyway. Also, in general on the arpanet you should try sending mail to {mailing-list-name}-REQUEST to get yourself added or removed. If that fails and you know someone on the list, ask them about how to get added or removed. If you don't know anyone, then sending to the list itself might be appropriate. In general, for large lists, all n hundred recipients aren't interested in seeing requests for additions/deletions. So in this case, LISP-FORUM-REQUEST@MC would have been the right place to ask. Anyway, I added you. Don't be surprised if you don't get much for a while. This list lives dormant most of the time these days but is from time to time quite active. Keep in mind if you send anything to it, however, that there are a lot of people on it and that messages should be of very general interest and should be carefully thought out. Usually bouncing ideas off of one or more individuals on the list before sending to the entire list is the right strategy. Also, the reader base of the list is people with experience with any of the many lisp dialects; probably no single dialect is common to everyone. I guess that's most of the relevant bits I should push your way as an introduction. Welcome to Lisp Forum. -kmp  Received: from edxa.ac.uk by 44d.Ucl-Cs.AC.UK via Sercnet with NIFTP; 17 Feb 84 17:53 GMT From: DALTON FHL (on ERCC DEC-10) Date: Friday, 17-Feb-84 17:38:56-GMT To: me@edxa, lisp-forum-request Subject: Request + Seeking information -------- LISP-FORUM@MIT-MC was mentioned in Franz-Friends recently, and since that is the only mention I can recall, I decided to write and ask for more information, specifically: what is the purpose of the group and is it possible to be added to the distribution list? I am currently working on porting Franz Lisp to the ICL/3 Rivers Perq and providing general Lisp support at the University of Edinburgh and thus feel the Lisp Forum might be of interest. Jeff Dalton Department of Artificial Intelligence University of Edinburgh 5 Forrest Hill Edinburgh EH1 2QL Scotland J.Dalton%edxa@ucl-cs --------  Date: 9 February 1984 11:33 EST From: Kent M Pitman Subject: You've been added. To: Alpern.Ibm-Sj @ RAND-RELAY cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of Wed 8 Feb 84 14:01:15 PST from David Alpern Date: Wed, 8 Feb 84 14:01:15 PST From: David Alpern ... Judging from the name of the group, I think I'd like to be added to Lisp-Forum. Would you please add me, and let me know where archives, if any, are kept? Thanks. ... address for me is 'Alpern.IBM-SJ@Rand-Relay' OK. I added you. Don't be surprised if you don't get much for a while. This list lives dormant most of the time these days but is from time to time quite active. Keep in mind if you send anything to it, however, that there are a lot of people on it and that messages should be of very general interest and should be carefully thought out. Usually bouncing ideas off of one or more individuals on the list before sending to the entire list is the right strategy. Also, the reader base of the list is people with experience with any of the many lisp dialects; probably no single dialect is common to everyone. I guess that's most of the relevant bits I should push your way as an introduction. Welcome to Lisp Forum. -kmp  Date: Wed, 8 Feb 84 14:01:15 PST From: David Alpern Return-Path: Subject: Please add me To: Lisp-Forum-Request@Mit-Mc Via: IBM-SJ; 9 Feb 84 0:33-PST Hello. Judging from the name of the group, I think I'd like to be added to Lisp-Forum. Would you please add me, and let me know where archives, if any, are kept? Thanks. The best form of address for me is 'Alpern.IBM-SJ@Rand-Relay' (case doesn't matter anywhere). - Dave  Date: 22 November 1983 11:24 EST From: Kent M Pitman To: mbr @ NPRDC cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-Reply-To: Msg of 22 Nov 1983 07:52:48-PST from mbr@NPRDC Date: 22 Nov 1983 07:52:48-PST From: Mark Rosenstein To: lisp-forum-request@MIT-MC Re: Would you add me to your mailing list?? Thanks. Mark Rosenstein Future Technologies Code Navy Personnel Research and Development Center San Diego, CA OK. I added you. Don't be surprised if you don't get much for a while. This list lives dormant most of the time these days but is from time to time quite active. Keep in mind if you send anything to it, however, that there are a lot of people on it and that messages should be of very general interest and should be carefully thought out. Usually bouncing ideas off of one or more individuals on the list before sending to the entire list is the right strategy. Also, the reader base of the list is people with experience with any of the many lisp dialects; probably no single dialect is common to everyone. I guess that's most of the relevant bits I should push your way as an introduction. Welcome to Lisp Forum.  Date: 22 Nov 1983 07:52:48-PST From: Mark Rosenstein Reply-To: mbr@NPRDC To: lisp-forum-request@MIT-MC Subject: Would you add me to your mailing list?? Thanks. Mark Rosenstein Future Technologies Code Navy Personnel Research and Development Center San Diego, CA  Received: from [128.2.254.192] by CMU-CS-PT with CMUFTP; 5 Sep 83 16:50:32 EDT Date: 5 Sep 83 1655 EDT (Monday) From: Gail E. Kaiser (C410GK60) To: lisp-forum-request@mit-mc Subject: please remove... Message-Id: <05Sep83.165559.GK60@CMU-CS-A> ...me from the mailing list. Thanks. -Gail.Kaiser@cmu-cs-a  Date: 2 Sep 1983 0916-MDT From: Jed Krohnfeldt Subject: name change To: lisp-forum-request@MIT-MC Please change psi.krohnfeldt@utah-20 to krohnfeldt@utah-20 on your list. Thank you... -------  Date: 22 June 1983 03:44 EDT From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: Addition to list To: TJMartin.ADL @ MIT-MULTICS cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of 21 Jun 1983 19:21 edt from TJMartin.ADL at MIT-MULTICS Date: 21 June 1983 19:21 edt From: TJMartin.ADL at MIT-MULTICS Could you please add me to the distribution list? ... Done.  Date: 21 June 1983 19:21 edt From: TJMartin.ADL at MIT-MULTICS Subject: Addition to list To: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC Could you please add me to the distribution list? Arthur D. Little is gearing up an A.I. program, starting with a Symbolics 3600 in the next few weeks. Thanks. --Tom Martin/Arthur D. Little/Acorn Park/Cambridge MA 02140  Date: 16 May 1983 05:58 EDT From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: lisp-forum mailing list To: MOON @ SCRC-TENEX cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: Msg of 11 May 1983 15:18-EDT from MOON at SCRC-TENEX Date: Wednesday, 11 May 1983 15:18-EDT From: MOON at SCRC-TENEX To: lisp-forum-request at oz Re: lisp-forum mailing list DEKLEER and VITTAL at MC (via LISP-FORUM-MC) are unknown. MIGUES at AI is on the list via some unknown path; the error message came from Comsat at MC, but it wasn't mailing list expansion there since it didn't include a mailing list name in the message. ----- I changed all references to MAXC in MC:.MAIL.;NAMES > to PARC-MAXC. This should fix DEKLEER. VITTAL's home machine is BBND, which isn't known to COMSAT. I commented out all references to him. I fixed MIGUES to have a new home machine of MC in INQUIRE. Thanks for pointing these out. There are hundreds of similar problems in NAMES > right now, but we're just cleaning them up on a by need basis. --kmp  Date: Wednesday, 11 May 1983 15:18-EDT From: MOON at SCRC-TENEX To: lisp-forum-request at oz Subject: lisp-forum mailing list DEKLEER and VITTAL at MC (via LISP-FORUM-MC) are unknown. MIGUES at AI is on the list via some unknown path; the error message came from Comsat at MC, but it wasn't mailing list expansion there since it didn't include a mailing list name in the message.  Date: 18 Mar 1983 2313-EST From: Larry Campbell To: LISP-Forum-Request at MIT-MC Subject: Request for addition Message-ID: <"MS11(2347)+GLXLIB1(1056)" 11904529452.22.71.24265 at DEC-MARLBORO> Could I be added to the LISP-Forum mailing list? I am currently working on a VLSI design system in LISP (if you care)... --------  Date: 7 March 1983 21:08 EST From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE To: ODonnell @ YALE cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC, Rees @ YALE LISP-FORUM is reasonably idle these days since most of the active participants are now more busy with Common Lisp. Even Common Lisp, however, has been inactive due to the complete breakdown of communications brought on by TCP installation. Our site has been happily talking to the net for over a month but has had precious few people to talk to! ... Which is all to say that LISP-FORUM-YALE was never removed from LISP-FORUM, so I didn't have to put it back; I checked and you're still there. Welcome back to the Arpanet! -kmp  Received: by YALE-BULLDOG via CHAOS; Mon, 7 Mar 83 12:51:09 EST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 83 12:59:18 EST From: John O'Donnell Subject: We're back To: lisp-forum-request@MIT-AI.ARPA We're back on the net at last. Could you please reinstall the entry LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE in the mailing list? Thanks. -------  Date: 14 February 1983 03:42 EST From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: [COMSAT at MIT-MC: Msg of Thursday, 10 February 1983 16:37 EST] To: RPK @ MIT-OZ cc: Lisp-Forum-Request @ MIT-OZ In-reply-to: The message of 13 Feb 1983 23:36-EST from Robert P. Krajewski Date: Sunday, 13 February 1983, 23:36-EST From: Robert P. Krajewski To: Lisp-Forum-Request at MIT-OZ Re: [COMSAT at MIT-MC: Msg of Thursday, 10 February 1983 16:37 EST] Fcc: OZ:PS:CC.XMAIL The message I sent appears to have tickled a few non-standard addresses in the LISP-FORUM mailing list. Sorry if you have already received these losing messages... Date: 11 February 1983 08:07 EST From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Thursday, 10 February 1983 16:37 EST To: RpK @ MIT-OZ FAILED: LISP-FORUM-YALE at YALE; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: FAILED: PLATTS at WHARTON-10; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: FAILED: BUGLISPHACK at SU-AI; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: ----- The world is broken due to TCP installation. Please just avoid using LISP-FORUM until the Arpanet is fixed. It's not worth my removing these addresses. They are valid addresses, they just have broken mailers.  Date: Sunday, 13 February 1983, 23:36-EST From: Robert P. Krajewski Subject: [COMSAT at MIT-MC: Msg of Thursday, 10 February 1983 16:37 EST] To: Lisp-Forum-Request at MIT-OZ Fcc: OZ:PS:CC.XMAIL The message I sent appears to have tickled a few non-standard addresses in the LISP-FORUM mailing list. Sorry if you have already received these losing messages... Date: 11 February 1983 08:07 EST From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Thursday, 10 February 1983 16:37 EST To: RpK @ MIT-OZ FAILED: LISP-FORUM-YALE at YALE; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: FAILED: PLATTS at WHARTON-10; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: FAILED: BUGLISPHACK at SU-AI; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows:  Date: 27 December 1982 13:31-EST (Monday) Sender: RPK @ MIT-OZ From: Robert P. Krajewski To: Kent M. Pitman Cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC Subject: Request In-reply-to: The message of 23 Dec 1982 15:28-EST from Kent M. Pitman Date: Thursday, 23 December 1982 15:28-EST From: Kent M. Pitman To: RPK cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC Re: Request Date: 16 December 1982 23:45-EST (Thursday) From: Robert P. Krajewski To: Lisp-Forum-Request Please add RpK-LM@OZ to the list. Thank you. ----- LISP-FORUM isn't much active any more. I went to add you at OZ (the list there is called LISP-FORUM-OZ) but you were already there as RPK. Did you want RPK-LM added also or did you just give up on me and add RPK in the time between when you sent the message and now? -kmp Ooops -- my goof. I guess I should change my entry at OZ to RPK-LM. bob  Date: 23 December 1982 16:07-EST From: Kent M. Pitman To: RPK @ MIT-MC cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC I mailed this message but my Babyl died sending it, so apologies if it reaches you twice. LISP-FORUM isn't much active any more. I went to add you at OZ (the list there is called LISP-FORUM-OZ) but you were already on the list there as RPK, so I didn't add RPK-LM. Did you want RPK-LM added also or did you just give up on my responding to your LISP-FORUM-REQUEST mail and edit yourself in? --kmp  Date: 23 December 1982 15:28-EST From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: Request To: RPK @ MIT-MC cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST @ MIT-MC In-reply-to: The message of 16 Dec 1982 23:45-EST () from Robert P. Krajewski Date: 16 December 1982 23:45-EST (Thursday) From: Robert P. Krajewski To: Lisp-Forum-Request Please add RpK-LM@OZ to the list. Thank you. ----- LISP-FORUM isn't much active any more. I went to add you at OZ (the list there is called LISP-FORUM-OZ) but you were already there as RPK. Did you want RPK-LM added also or did you just give up on me and add RPK in the time between when you sent the message and now? -kmp  Date: 16 December 1982 23:45-EST (Thursday) Sender: RPK at MIT-OZ From: Robert P. Krajewski Subject: Request To: Lisp-Forum-Request at MC Please add RpK-LM@OZ to the list. Thank you.  Date: 16 November 1982 11:25-EST From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: List addition To: RICK at MIT-MC cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC, jor.jhu at UDEL-RELAY I added the name. Don't be surprised if you don't see anything on that list. It's been dormant now many months. Several of those who were its main contributors now have their hands busy with the design of Common Lisp.  Date: 16 November 1982 09:20-EST From: Richard P. Wilkes Subject: List addition To: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC cc: RICK at MIT-MC, jor.jhu at UDEL-RELAY Please add jor.jhu@udel-relay to the mailing list. Thanks. -r  Date: Tuesday, 17 August 1982, 15:30-EDT From: David Chapman To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-OZ Perhaps you already know this, but there is a LISP-FORUM-OZ, which should be included in the MC version of LISP-FORUM, if that version redistributes to multiple sites. If the MC entry for LISP-FORUM merely points at LISP-FORUM@AI, it should be redirected to LISP-FORUM@OZ, since OZ has been up a lot more than AI recently.  Date: 4 June 1982 10:49 cdt From: VaughanW at HI-Multics (Bill Vaughan) Subject: please remove me from the mailing list Sender: VaughanW.REFLECS at HI-Multics To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-MC cc: VaughanW at HI-Multics please remove me from the LISP-FORUM mailing list. thanks. Bill Vaughan VaughanW at HI-Multics  Date: 26 April 1982 21:57-EDT From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: Local UPenn redistribution of Lisp-Forum To: ira.UPenn at UDEL-RELAY cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC, finin.UPenn at UDEL-RELAY Date: 26 Apr 82 13:25:26-EDT (Mon) From: Ira Winston To: kmp at Mit-Mc cc: finin.UPenn at UDel-Relay Subject: LISP-FORUM-LOCAL.UPenn@UDel-Relay has been setup Via: UPenn; 26 Apr 82 20:43-EDT please add it to LISP-FORUM and remove Finin@Wharton-10 ----- LISP-FORUM-LOCAL.UPenn@UDel-Relay has been added to LISP-FORUM@MC. Finin@Wharton-10 has been removed from LISP-FORUM@MC.  Date: 25 April 1982 23:26-EST From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: an addition and a deletion for LISP-FORUM To: FININ at WHARTON-10 cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC, ira.upenn at UDEL-RELAY Date: 23 Apr 1982 (Friday) 1221-EDT From: FININ at Wharton-10 (Tim Finin) Subject: an addition and a deletion for LISP-FORUM To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI cc: ira.upenn at UDEL-RELAY Please add lisp-forum.upenn@udel-relay Please drop finin@wharton. ----- The convention is that if you have a mailing list called LISP-FORUM local to any machine, it should not be called LISP-FORUM to (1) allow people to send to a local LISP-FORUM address while still reaching everyone and (2) avoid the danger of introducing mailer path circularities. eg, on most sites there are two kinds of mailing lists: LISP-FORUM sends to the full LISP-FORUM list (non-MIT should sites do this by sending to LISP-FORUM@MC or LISP-FORUM@ML or LISP-FORUM@AI). another list sends to the users on that system. eg, LISP-FORUM-LOCAL@YALE distributes only to local users at YALE. It's the name YALE asked to have the MIT machines reflect mail back to; people never mail to that. People at YALE mail to LISP-FORUM@YALE which forwards to LISP-FORUM@MC which eventually goes to the whole list, including of course LISP-FORUM-LOCAL@YALE. While a bit circuitous, it tends to be an easy way to distribute mailer loads fairly among the machines. Preferrably, if you could make lisp-forum-local.upenn@udel-relay be a local redistribution list and optionally create a lisp-forum list at upenn which people could mail to us. That way, the name lisp-forum may not exist at some sites, but when it does, its meaning is always clear -- send to everyone on that list on all sites. When you have created the list named lisp-forum-local.upenn@udel-relay -- or anything else you want to call it except lisp-forum, drop me a line. I could drop you from LISP-FORUM now, but I assume you're on the about-to-be- created list and don't want to miss mail, so I'll hold that request until you reply on the other. If anything in the above doesn't make sense, feel free to ask. -kmp  Date: 23 Apr 1982 (Friday) 1221-EDT From: FININ at Wharton-10 (Tim Finin) Subject: an addition and a deletion for LISP-FORUM To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI cc: ira.upenn at UDEL-RELAY Please add lisp-forum.upenn@udel-relay Please drop finin@wharton. Thanks - Tim Finin  Date: 23 Apr 1982 (Friday) 1221-EDT From: FININ at Wharton-10 (Tim Finin) Subject: an addition and a deletion for LISP-FORUM To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI cc: ira.upenn at UDEL-RELAY Please add lisp-forum.upenn@udel-relay Please drop finin@wharton. Thanks - Tim Finin  Date: 23 Apr 1982 (Friday) 1221-EDT From: FININ at Wharton-10 (Tim Finin) Subject: an addition and a deletion for LISP-FORUM To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI cc: ira.upenn at UDEL-RELAY Please add lisp-forum.upenn@udel-relay Please drop finin@wharton. Thanks - Tim Finin  Date: 11 March 1982 00:24-EST From: Alias for KMP Sender: KMP at MIT-MC Subject: LISP-FORUM => LISP-FORUM-YALE To: Rees at YALE cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC, Mishkin at YALE Date: Tuesday, 9 March 1982 09:58-EST From: Jonathan Rees To: Lisp-Forum-Request cc: Mishkin at YALE Re: LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE You can update the MC NAMES file now to make LISP-FORUM@YALE become LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE. There will not be a problem with looping; both are currently defined to be the same thing, and neither forwards to the other or to LISP-FORUM@MC. When I get acknowledgement that the change has actually happened, I will update our database to have our LISP-FORUM forward to MC. This change has been made. Sorry for the delay. Thanks for keeping the list from becoming circular. You can go ahead and changee LISP-FORUM@YALE to point back to us now. Has there been no news on Lisp-forum for a while? I don't think we've been getting anything. That is correct. LISP-FORUM has been relatively silent. I doubt you're missing anything.  Date: Tuesday, 9 March 1982 09:58-EST From: Jonathan Rees To: Lisp-Forum-Request at MIT-MC Subject: LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE Cc: Mishkin at YALE You can update the MC NAMES file now to make LISP-FORUM@YALE become LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE. There will not be a problem with looping; both are currently defined to be the same thing, and neither forwards to the other or to LISP-FORUM@MC. When I get acknowledgement that the change has actually happened, I will update our database to have our LISP-FORUM forward to MC. Has there been no news on Lisp-forum for a while? I don't think we've been getting anything.  Date: 4 March 1982 23:57-EST From: Alias for KMP Sender: KMP at MIT-MC Subject: Lisp-forum To: Rees at YALE cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC, Mishkin at YALE, Odonnell at YALE Date: Saturday, 13 February 1982 23:03-EST From: Jonathan Rees To: Mishkin at YALE Cc: Lisp-Forum-Request at MIT-MC, Odonnell at YALE Subject: Lisp-forum I added LISP-FORUM@YALE to the LISP-FORUM-MC list. LISP-FORUM-REQUEST is evidently the same as KMP, who is now on vacation. Perhaps, to avoid confusion, we could call our local distribution list LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE? Many other sites, such as MIT-AI and UTAH-20, have done this. This eliminates the ambiguity between the global LISP-FORUM, which then means the same thing on all machines, i.e. distribute globally, and the particular local distribution lists. Consider what happens when someone at Yale mails to LISP-FORUM. ----- Jonathan, your suggestion as to why we have LISP-FORUM-MC and not just LISP-FORUM is indeed correct. Thanks for adding LISP-FORUM@YALE for me in my absence; if you decide to change its name to LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE, which I would encourage, lemme know and I'll be glad to update our local list. Please do NOT change LISP-FORUM@YALE to forward back to us until after you are sure it has been changed on MC to send to some other name at YALE; if you did, a bad infinite loop will happen if anyone mails to LISP-FORUM in the interim! -kmp  Date: Saturday, 13 February 1982 23:03-EST From: Jonathan Rees To: Mishkin at YALE Cc: Lisp-Forum-Request at MIT-MC, Odonnell at YALE Subject: Lisp-forum I added LISP-FORUM@YALE to the LISP-FORUM-MC list. LISP-FORUM-REQUEST is evidently the same as KMP, who is now on vacation. Perhaps, to avoid confusion, we could call our local distribution list LISP-FORUM-YALE@YALE? Many other sites, such as MIT-AI and UTAH-20, have done this. This eliminates the ambiguity between the global LISP-FORUM, which then means the same thing on all machines, i.e. distribute globally, and the particular local distribution lists. Consider what happens when someone at Yale mails to LISP-FORUM.  Date: 13-Feb-82 1912-EST From: Nathaniel Mishkin Subject: Addition To: Lisp-Forum-Request at MIT-MC cc: Rees at YALE, Odonnell at YALE Could you add Lisp-Forum@YALE to the mailing list? Thanks. (sorry if this is a duplicate request). -- Nat Mishkin -------  Date: 17 December 1981 21:30-EST From: Kent M. Pitman To: LFG.KRIS at MIT-SPEECH cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC Date: 17 December 1981 11:49-EST (Thursday) From: Per-Kristian Halvorsen To: lisp-forum-request at mc Please put me on the mailing list (as HALVOR@ML if that is the easiest). ----- I added you to the list as LFG.KRIS@SPEECH. Adding you as HALVOR@ML would have been a bad idea since it just makes extra hassles for the mailer. Your mail is not delivered to ML -- it is forwarded to Speech. There is no point in sending the mailer off looking for you on ML when your actual net address is known. Welcome to LISP-FORUM. It's a large list -- interact sparingly, avoid flamage, etc. -kmp  Date: 17 December 1981 11:49-EST (Thursday) From: Per-Kristian Halvorsen To: lisp-forum-request at mc Please put me on the mailing list (as HALVOR@ML if that is the easiest).  Date: 27 November 1981 13:27-EST From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: followup To: VaughanW at HI-MULTICS cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC you were already on the list. i added you a while back when you sent mail to us and about 10 other mailing lists asking to be added. if you have seen no mail it is because none has been sent recently.  Date: 27 November 1981 13:24-EST From: Kent M. Pitman To: VaughanW at HI-MULTICS cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC I will add you to the list. Please do all correspondence of this sort via LISP-FORUM-REQUEST in the future, not LISP-FORUM. The bulk of the LISP-FORUM community does not want to be bothered with administrative issues like this.  Date: 3 Nov 1981 1131-MST From: Don Morrison Subject: [Don Morrison : local remailing] To: kmp at MIT-MC, lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI This seems to have been lost somewhere. At any rate, I never got a reply, and Benson claims to have gotten a message direct since I sent this off. Sorry to bother you again if it's already taken care of. --------------- Date: 22 Oct 1981 2117-MDT From: Don Morrison Subject: local remailing To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI Please add LISP-FORUM@UTAH-20 to the lisp-forum mailing list, and delete Benson@UTAH-20 (forwarded from ML) and Griss@UTAH-20 and Stoutemyer@Utah-20 (forwared from MC). If at sometime you wish to see who things are really going to, they're listed in [UTAH-20]Lisp-Forum.list, or you can send me a note and I'll supply whatever info/help I can. Any problems with mailings to Lisp-Forum@Utah-20 should be directed to me. Thanks. ------- -------  Date: 22 Oct 1981 2117-MDT From: Don Morrison Subject: local remailing To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI Please add LISP-FORUM@UTAH-20 to the lisp-forum mailing list, and delete Benson@UTAH-20 (forwarded from ML) and Griss@UTAH-20 and Stoutemyer@Utah-20 (forwared from MC). If at sometime you wish to see who things are really going to, they're listed in [UTAH-20]Lisp-Forum.list, or you can send me a note and I'll supply whatever info/help I can. Any problems with mailings to Lisp-Forum@Utah-20 should be directed to me. Thanks. -------  Date: 21 October 1981 20:05-EDT From: Kent M. Pitman Sender: ___052 at MIT-AI Subject: The LISP-FORUM mailing list -> Utah-20 To: Morrison at UTAH-20 cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-AI There were no additional names on the AI mail forwarding list.  Date: 21 October 1981 15:16-EDT From: ___067 at MIT-MC Subject: UTAH-20 people on LISP-FORUM To: Morrison at UTAH-20 cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC On the list forwarded from MIT-ML: Benson@UTAH-20 On the list forwarded from MIT-MC: Griss@UTAH-20, Stoutemyer@UTAH-20 The MIT-AI forwarding list is not available as I write this note (AI is down). I will look there later. There may be other people who have mail sent to ITS unames where the ITS names forward implicitly to names at UTAH-20 ... those could be detected later from examining the mailer stat files here -- I'll look later for that too, maybe. Good luck. Thanks for taking over part of the distribution. Our overloaded mailers will appreciate it. -kmp ps Let us know when your list is established and we'll strike the names from the list here.  Date: 21 Oct 1981 0025-MDT From: Don Morrison Subject: local redistribution To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI We'd like to set up a local redistribution for lisp-forum. Could you supply the names of all lisp-forum subscribers at UTAH-20? Thanks. -------  RMS@MIT-AI 09/22/81 18:29:13 To: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-AI Please get rid of VaughanW.Reflecs. Its tiresome to get all the error messages for him.  Date: 18 Jul 1981 (Saturday) 2259-EDT From: SHRAGE at WHARTON-10 (Jeffrey Shrager) Subject: Please remove my name from the list -- thanks. To: lisp-forum-request at MIT-AI  Date: 8 July 1981 01:46-EDT From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: LISP-FORUM To: ARICH at MIT-MC cc: LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC Hi, Al... Welcome to the Lisp-Forum mailing list. This list is for use in discussing problems which are of interest spanning more than one lisp dialect. There is a discussion group also (which is practically unused) called MACLISP-FORUM for Maclisp-specific questions/comments... If you're interested, I could add you to that as well. One thing to keep in mind -- this is a high volume mailing list so keep in mind that well-thought-out submissions are encouraged... I've been encouraging everyone to bounce ideas off of a few individuals (I'm always available for such) to get some feedback before mailing to the larger list. This helps keep all our mail files small ... Anyway, enjoy the forum ... -kmp  ARICH@MIT-MC 07/06/81 18:07:21 To: INFO-CPM-REQUEST at MIT-MC CC: INFO-MICRO-REQUEST at MIT-MC, LISP-FORUM-REQUEST at MIT-MC COULD YOU PLEEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILLING LIST AND TELL ME HOW TO ACCESS ARCHIVED CORRESPONDENCE?  Date: 24 JUN 1981 1944-PDT From: GOSPER at PARC-MAXC Subject: oops! To: lisp-forum-request at AI please include rwg@mc in lisp forum.