BABYL OPTIONS: Owner: MAP Append: 1 Mail: DSK: PCNET; PCNREQ MAIL Version:5 Labels:Later, Done, FYI No Reformation  1,, Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (TCP 1200400116) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 Aug 87 01:34:12 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA14037; Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:51 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:51 PDT From: MAILER-DAEMON@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown Message-Id: <8708250532.AA14037@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> To: *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:51 PDT From: MAILER-DAEMON at ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mail Delivery Subsystem) To: Re: Returned mail: Host unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA14031; Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:51 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 EDT From: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Sender: MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-Id: <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> ... >>>Removed 3:06am Tuesday, 25 August 1987 -MAP 1,, Received: from tsca.istc.sri.com (TCP 1200600002) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 Aug 87 01:35:52 EDT Received: by tsca.istc.sri.com (5.51/5.00) id AA29516 for Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU@ai.ai.mit.edu; Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:44 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:44 PDT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <8708250532.AA29516@tsca.istc.sri.com> To: Subject: Returned mail: User unknown *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:44 PDT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: Re: Returned mail: User unknown ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by tsca.istc.sri.com (5.51/5.00) id AA29508 for john@med.istc.sri.com; Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:44 PDT Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:32:44 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 EDT From: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu Sender: MAP@ai.ai.mit.edu To: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> ... >>>Removed 3:08am Tuesday, 25 August 1987 -MAP 1,, Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 Aug 87 01:49:35 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 08/25/87 at 01:48:14 EDT X-Delivery-Notice: SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender. Received: from YMIR.BITNET (SMTPUSER) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.24) with BSMTP id 5589; Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:48:06 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:43 PDT From: PMDF Mail Server Subject: Undeliverable mail To: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:43 PDT From: PMDF Mail Server To: Info-PCNet-Request at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Re: Undeliverable mail X-Delivery-Notice: SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender. The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: BEN Reason: %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user BEN at node YMIR ---------------------------------------- Received: from JNET-DAEMON by YMIR.BITNET; Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:42 PDT Received: From MITVMA(SMTPSERV) by YMIR with RSCS id 5544 for BEN@YMIR; Mon, 24 Aug 87 22:42 PDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; 25 Aug 87 01:39:02 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 EDT From: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Sender: MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> ... >>>Removed 3:11am Tuesday, 25 August 1987 -MAP 1,, Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 03:04:12 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <245982.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 03:04:12 EDT From: Michael A. Patton To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Date: 24 Aug 87 22:48:21 PST From: csuserv%CALSTATE.BITNET at wiscvm.wisc.edu To: MAP at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Re: Undeliverable message Comment: 24 Aug 87 22:48:24 PST Comment: This user is not a valid mail ID. +--------------------------------+ : A copy of your message follows : +--------------------------------+ Received: by CALSTATE via BITNet with NJF for JCLS700@CALSTATE; Comment: 24 Aug 87 22:48:08 PST Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; 25 Aug 87 01:39:02 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 EDT From: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Sender: MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Resent-To: JCLS700@CCS.CSUSCC.CALSTATE.EDU ... >>>Removed 3:13am Tuesday, 25 August 1987 -MAP 1,, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 Aug 87 04:51:17 EDT Received: from RELAY.CS.NET (TCP 1201000005) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 Aug 87 01:59:44 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 1:54:25 EDT From: RELAY Mail System (MMDF) Sender: mmdf@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: Failed mail (msg.aa06233) To: @mc.lcs.mit.edu:Info-PCNet-Request@mc.lcs.mit.edu *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 1:54:25 EDT From: RELAY Mail System (MMDF) Sender: mmdf at RELAY.CS.NET To: at mc.lcs.mit.edu:Info-PCNet-Request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: Failed mail (msg.aa06233) Your message could not be delivered to 'spoor@a.cs.uiuc.edu (host: a.cs.uiuc.edu) (queue: smtp)' for the following reason: ' ... 550 User unknown' Your message follows: Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by RELAY.CS.NET id aa06233; 25 Aug 87 1:40 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 EDT From: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Sender: MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> ... >>>Removed 11:18am Tuesday, 25 August 1987 -MAP 1,, Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 11:07:50 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: [SERVER%UMASS.BITNET: Undeliverable message] To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <246094.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 11:07:50 EDT From: Michael A. Patton To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Re: [SERVER%UMASS.BITNET: Undeliverable message] Date: 25 Aug 87 09:13:04 EST From: SERVER%UMASS.BITNET at wiscvm.wisc.edu (NETWORK MAIL SERVER) To: MAP at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Re: Undeliverable message Comment: The name "TAC EVOL" is unknown to Mailer. +--------------------------------+ : A copy of your message follows : +--------------------------------+ Received: by UMass via BITNet with NJF for SALNETP@UMass; 25 Aug 87 09:05:49 UED Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; 25 Aug 87 01:39:02 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 EDT From: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Sender: MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Resent-To: TAC EVOL@Mars.UCC PCNet rises from the dead I am about to embark on a project which has many goals in common with the original PCNet project. Since there is nothing available that will meet our needs I will be writing all new software for the most part, with minor borrowing from other programs. I expect to build on the work originally done for the PCNet project, adapting some of it based on new knowledge about networking but keeping most parts as is. There are several goals of the original PCNet project which are not strictly required for this work, however I personally feel that they are important and should be allowed for. Since I am the principal architect of the new work, I will leave the hooks there. As I begin to think about the project I have several observations and many questions. First the observations: o It is my observation that in order to get the best possible design it is desirable to get as much input as possible on each design decision. This is why I am sending out this notice to the PCNet group at this time, to solicit contributors. o On the other hand designs are more coherent when there is one person who coordinates the inputs. o The original PCNet project was a noble effort, however it is my feeling that it was in fact slightly ahead of it's time. There has been quite a lot of development in recent years which can be adopted wholesale for use in such an endeavor, much effort was expended the first time around trying to design things that can now be "copied". o As the maintainer of the Info-PCNet list, I have noticed quite an increase in the number of people expressing interest in this type of endeavor. I feel that it may be the right time to try and actually build something. Now the questions which I feel should be answered first: o Is this the appropriate group to discuss something new on? It is my feeling that, since the original project has in fact become so moribund, it is probably a reasonable start. There doesn't seem to actually be much discussion of the existing PCNet and I feel that those who were interested in that effort would be interested in any new proposals. o Does anybody know of any other work that I should look at before starting to think about this design? Now for perhaps the most important question of them all: What should the new thing be called? Here are several points I have pondered in this line: o One idea is to assign the original name (i.e. PCNet) to the new project and officially declare the original work a "Preliminary" design. Before I did this I would want to hear from most of the main characters in the original design team. I also wonder whether there is anyone other than me actually using any portion of the original design. There is also the question of Copyright/Trademark. Wasn't there some company that came out with a product with this name? What ever became of them? Did the PCNet project ever succeed in the effort to challenge them? I see much discussion, but no resolution to this in a quick reading of the archives. There is also the problem with this name that the letters PC have come to mean a specific machine rather than being a general term. o A quick perusal of all words ending in -net (using our on-line webster's dictionary) did not generate any names that immediately inspired me as words to try and fit an acronym to. I expect if we want to come up with a new name we should think about it some. I have one candidate, and if it comes to that I will solicit others. Finally, I would like to request that anyone who wants to comment on the above (particularly any of the prime-movers in the original effort), should send a short note to Info-PCNet-Request. I will collect the full text of all responses (unless requested otherwise) and make them available for anonymous FTP. I will also summarize the specific responses to these questions (so please be clear about it): 1: Do we discuss it here or create yet another list? 2: Should we come up with a new name? 2a: Any suggestions?  1,, Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 11:08:22 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: [POSTMAST%BOSTONU.BITNET: Undelivered Mail] To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <246095.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 11:08:22 EDT From: Michael A. Patton To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Re: [POSTMAST%BOSTONU.BITNET: Undelivered Mail] Date: 25 Aug 1987 10:01:17 From: Boston University Postmaster To: MAP at AI.AI.MIT.EDU () Re: Undelivered Mail Comment: Comment: User MTH135 @ BOSTONU not found Comment: No Such User Found: The following mail has been returned to you because the recipient does not exist here at Boston University on the BOSTONU.BITNET node. Please re-check the address (userid) for correct mailing. For mailing lists - please remove this address from the list. Sorry for any inconvenience. - Boston University Postmaster for BITNET ----- Rejected Mail deleted ----- >>>Removed 11:24am Tuesday, 25 August 1987 -MAP 1,, Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (TCP 1200400116) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 Aug 87 11:22:13 EDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA21696; Tue, 25 Aug 87 08:21:32 PDT Message-Id: <8708251443.AA03195@vax135.UUCP> Received: by joy.UUCP (3.2/4.7) id AA23177; Tue, 25 Aug 87 10:43:18 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 10:43:18 EDT From: vax135!booth@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David Booth) To: ucbvax!AI.AI.MIT.EDU!Info-PCNet-Request Subject: Change of address *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 10:43:18 EDT From: vax135!booth at ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David Booth) To: ucbvax!AI.AI.MIT.EDU!Info-PCNet-Request at ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Re: Change of address Please make a change of address to the info-pcnet list. Old address: dbooth@usc-isif.arpa (or some other ISI machine) New address: booth@vax135.att.com Thanks. David Booth >>>Done 11:26am Tuesday, 25 August 1987 -MAP 1,, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 01:28:20 EDT Received: from RELAY.CS.NET (TCP 1201000005) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 01:08:14 EDT Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id aa17518; 26 Aug 87 0:37 EDT Received: from rca.com by csnet-relay.csnet id aa24121; 26 Aug 87 0:26 EDT From: PMDF Mail Server To: Info-PCNet-Request%mc.lcs.mit.edu%mc.lcs.mit.edu@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: Undeliverable mail Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 19:01 EST *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 19:01 EST From: PMDF Mail Server To: Info-PCNet-Request%mc.lcs.mit.edu%mc.lcs.mit.edu at RELAY.CS.NET Re: Undeliverable mail The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: PCHEN Reason: %MAIL-E-USERDSABL, user PCHEN cannot receive new mail ---------------------------------------- Received: from relay.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id aa17996; 25 Aug 87 1:37 EDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by RELAY.CS.NET id aa06233; 25 Aug 87 1:40 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 EDT From: Info-PCNet-Request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Sender: MAP@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: INFO-PCNET@mc.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Received: from RELAY.CS.NET by RCA.COM; Tue, 25 Aug 87 18:25 EST PCNet rises from the dead I am about to embark on a project which has many goals in common with the original PCNet project. Since there is nothing available that will meet our needs I will be writing all new software for the most part, with minor borrowing from other programs. I expect to build on the work originally done for the PCNet project, adapting some of it based on new knowledge about networking but keeping most parts as is. There are several goals of the original PCNet project which are not strictly required for this work, however I personally feel that they are important and should be allowed for. Since I am the principal architect of the new work, I will leave the hooks there. As I begin to think about the project I have several observations and many questions. First the observations: o It is my observation that in order to get the best possible design it is desirable to get as much input as possible on each design decision. This is why I am sending out this notice to the PCNet group at this time, to solicit contributors. o On the other hand designs are more coherent when there is one person who coordinates the inputs. o The original PCNet project was a noble effort, however it is my feeling that it was in fact slightly ahead of it's time. There has been quite a lot of development in recent years which can be adopted wholesale for use in such an endeavor, much effort was expended the first time around trying to design things that can now be "copied". o As the maintainer of the Info-PCNet list, I have noticed quite an increase in the number of people expressing interest in this type of endeavor. I feel that it may be the right time to try and actually build something. Now the questions which I feel should be answered first: o Is this the appropriate group to discuss something new on? It is my feeling that, since the original project has in fact become so moribund, it is probably a reasonable start. There doesn't seem to actually be much discussion of the existing PCNet and I feel that those who were interested in that effort would be interested in any new proposals. o Does anybody know of any other work that I should look at before starting to think about this design? Now for perhaps the most important question of them all: What should the new thing be called? Here are several points I have pondered in this line: o One idea is to assign the original name (i.e. PCNet) to the new project and officially declare the original work a "Preliminary" design. Before I did this I would want to hear from most of the main characters in the original design team. I also wonder whether there is anyone other than me actually using any portion of the original design. There is also the question of Copyright/Trademark. Wasn't there some company that came out with a product with this name? What ever became of them? Did the PCNet project ever succeed in the effort to challenge them? I see much discussion, but no resolution to this in a quick reading of the archives. There is also the problem with this name that the letters PC have come to mean a specific machine rather than being a general term. o A quick perusal of all words ending in -net (using our on-line webster's dictionary) did not generate any names that immediately inspired me as words to try and fit an acronym to. I expect if we want to come up with a new name we should think about it some. I have one candidate, and if it comes to that I will solicit others. Finally, I would like to request that anyone who wants to comment on the above (particularly any of the prime-movers in the original effort), should send a short note to Info-PCNet-Request. I will collect the full text of all responses (unless requested otherwise) and make them available for anonymous FTP. I will also summarize the specific responses to these questions (so please be clear about it): 1: Do we discuss it here or create yet another list? 2: Should we come up with a new name? 2a: Any suggestions?  1,, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 21:59:04 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id ab20965; 26 Aug 87 18:54 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01770; 26 Aug 87 17:01 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: This is for you ... Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 17:01:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1768.557020864@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 17:01:04 -0700 From: Einar Stefferud To: Info-PCNet-Request at ai.ai.mit.edu Re: This is for you ... One of lifes little problems is learning to live with the bad behavior of COMSAT and other MAILINGLIST facilities that return bad adddress mail to the sender rather than the list maintainer. I trust yopu might be able to find out what to do with this. On the ohter hand, you might take it as a clue to get off COMSAT and onto a better list distribution facility, somewhere. -- Stef ------- Forwarded Message Subject: Undeliverable message From: NETWORK MAIL SERVER To: stef%nma.com@nrtc Date: 26 Aug 87 18:40:10 EST +--------------------------------+ : A copy of your message follows : +--------------------------------+ Received: by UMass via BITNet with NJF for SALNETP@UMass; 26 Aug 87 18:36:50 UE D Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; 26 Aug 87 18:37:21 EDT Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 E Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@ A Reply-To: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa Resent-To: TAC EVOL@Mars.UCC I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. - ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve - ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement ------- End of Forwarded Message  1,, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 22:00:46 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id aa20965; 26 Aug 87 18:55 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01787; 26 Aug 87 17:03 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: postmaster@ai.ai.mit.edu Reply-to: postmaster@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: another for you ... Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 17:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1783.557021002@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 17:03:22 -0700 From: Einar Stefferud Reply-To: postmaster at ai.ai.mit.edu To: Info-PCNet-Request at ai.ai.mit.edu cc: postmaster at ai.ai.mit.edu Re: another for you ... ------- Forwarded Message Subject: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 18:18-EDT From: Communications Satellite To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa"@nrtc Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:07:19 EDT FAILED: VFWDE%ACAD2A.BITNET at MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Recipient name apparently reject ed. Last reply was: {550 Unknown Host 'ACAD2A.BITNET'} FAILED: nielsen%asbf-tds.huachuca-em.arpa at HUACHUCA-EM.ARPA; Recipient name a pparently rejected. Last reply was: {550 (BHST) Unknown host/domain name in "nielsen%asbf-t ds.huachuca-em.arpa@HUACHUCA-EM.ARPA"} FAILED: sentinel at EE.ECN.PURDUE.EDU; Recipient name apparently rejected. Last reply was: {550 ... User unknown} Failed message follows: - ------- Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. - ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve - ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement ------- End of Forwarded Message  1,, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 22:59:53 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a021244; 26 Aug 87 19:55 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01899; 26 Aug 87 19:51 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id aa01684; 26 Aug 87 16:36 PDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a019646; 26 Aug 87 16:12 PDT Received: from nta-odin.arpa (TCP 20011600411) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 19:03:39 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:57:27 +0200 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Posted-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:57:27 +0200 Message-Id: <8708262257.AA29805@nta-odin.arpa> Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nta-odin.arpa (5.52/3.21) id AA29805; Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:57:27 +0200 To: @ai.ai.mit.edu:stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at nrtc.arpa Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:51:03 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <1897.557031063@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:57:27 +0200 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: at ai.ai.mit.edu:stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa Re: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Posted-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:57:27 +0200 MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at nrtc.arpa Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:51:03 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <1897.557031063@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 <@AI.AI.MIT.EDU:stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa>... Unbalanced '>' 554 rewrite: cannot prescan canonical hostname: ai.ai.mit.edu>:stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa ----- Unsent message follows ----- Posted-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:57:27 +0200 Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nta-odin.arpa (5.52/3.21) id AA29801; Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:57:27 +0200 Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu Cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement  1,, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 23:02:29 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a021244; 26 Aug 87 19:58 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01920; 26 Aug 87 19:53 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id ac01684; 26 Aug 87 16:39 PDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a019747; 26 Aug 87 16:27 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:29:30 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 18:18-EDT To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa"@nrtc.arpa Message-ID: <246812.870826@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:53:23 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <1916.557031203@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:29:30 EDT From: Communications Satellite To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa" at nrtc.arpa Re: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 18:18-EDT Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:53:23 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <1916.557031203@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud FAILED: Miyata at MULTICS.MIT.EDU; Recipient name apparently rejected. Last reply was: {550 Some directory in path specified does not exist. } Failed message follows: ------- Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement  1,, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 11:39:28 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a023426; 27 Aug 87 8:34 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa02645; 27 Aug 87 8:31 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id aa02588; 27 Aug 87 7:58 PDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a023051; 27 Aug 87 7:32 PDT Received: from bass.nosc.mil (TCP 3200000003) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 10:32:53 EDT Received: from flounder.nosc.mil by bass.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA18637; Thu, 27 Aug 87 07:29:37 PDT Received: by flounder.nosc.mil (5.5/4.7) id AA00102; Wed, 26 Aug 87 16:53:56 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable Message-Id: <8708262353.AA00102@flounder.nosc.mil> To: @ai.ai.mit.edu:stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at nrtc.arpa Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 08:30:46 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <2643.557076646@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: at ai.ai.mit.edu:stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa Re: Returned mail: Service unavailable MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at nrtc.arpa Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 08:30:46 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <2643.557076646@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>> DATA <<< 554 sendall: too many hops (17 max) 554 kono@cod... Service unavailable: Bad file number ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from cod.nosc.mil by flounder.nosc.mil (5.5/4.7) id AA04693; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:17:48 PDT Received: from bass.nosc.mil by cod.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA10803; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:39:29 PDT Received: from flounder.nosc.mil by bass.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA11559; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:39:05 PDT Received: from cod.nosc.mil by flounder.nosc.mil (5.5/4.7) id AA04689; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:17:07 PDT Received: from bass.nosc.mil by cod.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA10718; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:38:47 PDT Received: from flounder.nosc.mil by bass.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA11549; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:38:34 PDT Received: from cod.nosc.mil by flounder.nosc.mil (5.5/4.7) id AA04685; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:16:38 PDT Received: from bass.nosc.mil by cod.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA10683; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:38:19 PDT Received: from flounder.nosc.mil by bass.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA11530; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:38:09 PDT Received: from cod.nosc.mil by flounder.nosc.mil (5.5/4.7) id AA04681; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:16:14 PDT Received: from bass.nosc.mil by cod.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA10645; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:37:54 PDT Received: from flounder.nosc.mil by bass.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA11522; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:37:47 PDT Received: from cod.nosc.mil by flounder.nosc.mil (5.5/4.7) id AA04657; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:15:50 PDT Received: from bass.nosc.mil by cod.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA10566; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:37:26 PDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by bass.nosc.mil (5.58/1.27) id AA11511; Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:36:56 PDT Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu Cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: Stef@nrtc.northrop.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement  1,, Later, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 12:20:43 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id aa23820; 27 Aug 87 9:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa02704; 27 Aug 87 8:50 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id aa02369; 27 Aug 87 1:17 PDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a022196; 27 Aug 87 0:53 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 03:55:31 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Thursday, 27 August 1987 03:55-EDT To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa"@nrtc.arpa Message-ID: <246984.870827@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 08:50:37 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <2700.557077837@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 03:55:31 EDT From: Communications Satellite To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa" at nrtc.arpa Re: Msg of Thursday, 27 August 1987 03:55-EDT Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 08:50:37 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <2700.557077837@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============ "INFO-PCNET-RQUEST" at AI.AI.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. ============ Failed message follows: ============ Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 03:55:07 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id ab22168; 27 Aug 87 0:50 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa02131; 26 Aug 87 21:30 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id aa02013; 26 Aug 87 20:37 PDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a021257; 26 Aug 87 19:59 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 23:01:30 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 23:01-EDT To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa"@nrtc.arpa Message-ID: <246920.870826@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Resent-To: info-pcnet-rquest@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 21:30:23 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <2129.557037023@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============ "INFO-PCNET-RQUEST" at AI.AI.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. ============ Failed message follows: ============ Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 23:01:26 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id aa21244; 26 Aug 87 19:57 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01909; 26 Aug 87 19:52 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id ab01684; 26 Aug 87 16:38 PDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a019668; 26 Aug 87 16:17 PDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 19:13:45 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:12:40 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 19:08-EDT To: "@AI.AI.MIT.EDU:stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa"@ai.ai.mit.edu Message-ID: <284383.870826@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU> Resent-To: info-pcnet-rquest@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 19:52:18 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <1907.557031138@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud FAILED: York at SCRC-STONY-BROOK.ARPA; Recipient name apparently rejected. Last reply was: {550 Recipient York@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM is not defined on this host.} Failed message follows: ------- Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 19:05:56 EDT Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement  1,, Later, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 13:44:57 EDT Received: from STL-HOST1.ARPA (TCP 3200000075) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 13:12:16 EDT Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 12:10:25 CDT From: Edward W. Bruck Subject: Add To List To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: amcpm.alse2@STL-HOST1.ARPA Message-ID: <12329868478.20.AMCPM.ALSE2@STL-HOST1.ARPA> *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 12:10:25 CDT From: Edward W. Bruck To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: amcpm.alse2 at STL-HOST1.ARPA Re: Add To List Please add me onto your mailing list on PCNET. Thank you, --Ed--  1,, Done, Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 19:43:17 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 08/27/87 at 19:41:35 EDT Received: from SLACVM.BITNET (DEP) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.24) with BSMTP id 5183; Thu, 27 Aug 87 19:40:06 EDT Date: 27 Aug 87 14:40 PST From: DEP%SLACVM.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: A request *** EOOH *** Date: 27 Aug 87 14:40 PST From: DEP%SLACVM.BITNET at MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Re: A request Date: 27 August 1987, 14:39:42 PST From: Don Pelton (415) 854-3300 x2901 DEP at SLACVM To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: A request Please remove me (DEP@SLACVM) from your distribution. Thanks.  1,, Done, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 19:59:24 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id aa27213; 27 Aug 87 16:56 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa03486; 27 Aug 87 16:45 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id aa03453; 27 Aug 87 16:39 PDT Received: from eddie.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a026897; 27 Aug 87 16:20 PDT Received: from deep-thought.mit.edu by EDDIE.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet with MAIL with sendmail-5.45/4.7 id ; Thu, 27 Aug 87 19:16:37 EDT Message-Id: <8708272316.AA13905@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu 27 Aug 87 19:16:02-EDT From: The Mailer Daemon <@eddie.mit.edu:Mailer@deep-thought.mit.edu> To: stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa Subject: Message of 26-Aug-87 19:11:35 Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 16:45:23 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <3483.557106323@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Thu 27 Aug 87 19:16:02-EDT From: The Mailer Daemon < at eddie.mit.edu:Mailer@deep-thought.mit.edu> To: stef%nma.com at nrtc.arpa Re: Message of 26-Aug-87 19:11:35 Resent-To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 16:45:23 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <3483.557106323@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud Message undelivered after 1 day -- will try for another 2 days: CL@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU.#Chaos: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet with SMTP; 26 Aug 87 19:11-EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 19:05:56 EDT Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud  1,, Later, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 21:17:27 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a027726; 27 Aug 87 18:12 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa03574; 27 Aug 87 18:16 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id aa03499; 27 Aug 87 16:59 PDT Received: from mc.lcs.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a026995; 27 Aug 87 16:32 PDT Received: from RELAY.CS.NET (TCP 1201000005) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 27 Aug 87 19:17:35 EDT Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id ab08690; 27 Aug 87 18:34 EDT Received: from rca.com by csnet-relay.csnet id aa05580; 27 Aug 87 18:26 EDT From: PMDF Mail Server To: stef%nma.com%nrtc.arpa%mc.lcs.mit.edu@relay.cs.net Subject: Undeliverable mail Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:42 EST Resent-To: Moderator Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 18:16:15 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <3572.557111775@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:42 EST From: PMDF Mail Server To: stef%nma.com%nrtc.arpa%mc.lcs.mit.edu at relay.cs.net Re: Undeliverable mail Resent-To: Moderator Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 18:16:15 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <3572.557111775@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: PCHEN Reason: %MAIL-E-USERDSABL, user PCHEN cannot receive new mail ---------------------------------------- Received: from relay.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id ag29023; 26 Aug 87 18:35 EDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by RELAY.CS.NET id aa26435; 26 Aug 87 18:38 EDT Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@mc.lcs.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@mc.lcs.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.northrop.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud Received: from RELAY.CS.NET by RCA.COM; Thu, 27 Aug 87 00:37 EST I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement  1,, Done, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 28 Aug 87 02:54:23 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a029263; 27 Aug 87 23:50 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa03901; 27 Aug 87 23:49 PDT Return-Path: Received: from NRTC.NORTHROP.COM by nma.com id aa03832; 27 Aug 87 22:44 PDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a029091; 27 Aug 87 22:35 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Aug 87 01:37:20 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 18:18-EDT To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa"@nrtc.arpa Message-ID: <247517.870828@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Resent-To: Moderator Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 23:49:00 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <3897.557131740@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 28 Aug 87 01:37:20 EDT From: Communications Satellite To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa" at nrtc.arpa Re: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 18:18-EDT Resent-To: Moderator Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 23:49:00 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <3897.557131740@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud FAILED: lundgren at AMES-VMSB.ARPA; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: ------- Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement  1,, Done, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 28 Aug 87 02:56:07 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id aa29263; 27 Aug 87 23:51 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa03907; 27 Aug 87 23:49 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id aa03845; 27 Aug 87 22:59 PDT Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by nrtc.arpa id a029099; 27 Aug 87 22:39 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Aug 87 01:41:30 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 18:18-EDT To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa"@nrtc.arpa Message-ID: <247522.870828@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Resent-To: Moderator Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 23:49:38 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <3905.557131778@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 28 Aug 87 01:41:30 EDT From: Communications Satellite To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa" at nrtc.arpa Re: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 18:18-EDT Resent-To: Moderator Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 87 23:49:38 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <3905.557131778@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud FAILED: schmidg at ESDVAX.ARPA; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: ------- Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 2 Sep 87 17:30:39 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 2 Sep 87 16:37:24 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 09/02/87 at 16:35:33 EDT Received: from RYERSON.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 0397; Wed, 02 Sep 87 16:35:27 EDT Received: by RYERSON (Mailer X1.23) id 1985; Wed, 02 Sep 87 16:25:53 EST Date: Wed, 02 Sep 87 16:24:29 EST From: Paul Ribeiro Subject: Removal from mailing list To: INFO-PCNET *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 02 Sep 87 16:24:29 EST From: Paul Ribeiro To: INFO-PCNET Re: Removal from mailing list Please remove ACAD8018 from your mailing list as he no longer works for us and his account is being deactivated. /Paul Programmer/Analyst Academic Computing Services Ryerson Polytechnical Institute Toronto, Canada  1,, Later, Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 3 Sep 87 04:38:57 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a007810; 3 Sep 87 1:31 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa09485; 3 Sep 87 0:35 PDT Return-Path: Received: from nrtc.northrop.com by nma.com id ab07430; 31 Aug 87 10:59 PDT Received: from ucbvax.berkeley.edu by nrtc.arpa id a015074; 31 Aug 87 10:42 PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA26426; Mon, 31 Aug 87 10:25:16 PDT Received: by cad.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.26) id AA06695; Mon, 31 Aug 87 09:54:45 PDT Received: Mon, 31 Aug 87 09:47:32 PDT by ames.arpa (5.58/1.2) Received: from granjon.garage.nj.att.com by ihnp4.ATT.COM id AA24255; 31 Aug 87 10:31:12 CDT (Mon) Received: by granjon.garage.nj.att.com; 8708311527 Date: Wed, 26-Aug-87 21:16:16 EDT From: ucbcad!ames.UUCP!ihnp4!nma.COM.UUCP!stef@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <8708311527.AA02427@granjon.garage.nj.att.com> To: ptsfa!nma.COM!stef@ucbvax.berkeley.edu To: Postmaster@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Status-Message: Message-Status: Returned mail: User unknown Original-Subject: (none) Original-Date: Wed, 26-Aug-87 21:16:16 EDT Resent-To: Moderator Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 87 00:35:01 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <9483.557652901@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 26-Aug-87 21:16:16 EDT From: ucbcad!ames.UUCP!ihnp4!nma.COM.UUCP!stef at ucbvax.berkeley.edu To: ptsfa!nma.COM!stef at ucbvax.berkeley.edu, Postmaster at ucbvax.berkeley.edu Re: Returned mail: User unknown Status-Message: Message-Status: Returned mail: User unknown Original-Subject: (none) Original-Date: Wed, 26-Aug-87 21:16:16 EDT Resent-To: Moderator Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 87 00:35:01 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <9483.557652901@nma.com> Resent-From: Einar Stefferud ----- Transcript of session follows ----- expdev... aliased to dfh,ggr,byrne,jtb,rak,dgb,rfp rfp... User unknown dgb... aliased to granjon!dgb rak... aliased to nomad!rak jtb... aliased to nomad!jtb byrne... aliased to nomad!byrne ggr... aliased to nomad!ggr dfh... aliased to bentley!dfh Postmaster... aliased to ggr ggr... aliased to nomad!ggr dgb... Connecting to .local... dgb... Sent nomad!rak,nomad!jtb,nomad!byrne,nomad!ggr... Connecting to nomad.dk... 220 nomad.garage.nj.att.com Sendmail 870819.ggr/870825 ready at 31 Aug 87 11:25:10 EDT (Mon) >>> HELO granjon.garage.nj.att.com 250 nomad.garage.nj.att.com Hello granjon.garage.nj.att.com, pleased to meet you >>> MAIL From: 250 ... Sender ok >>> RCPT To: 250 ... Recipient ok >>> RCPT To: 250 ... Recipient ok >>> RCPT To: 250 ... Recipient ok >>> RCPT To: 250 ... Recipient ok >>> DATA 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself 250 Ok >>> QUIT 221 nomad.garage.nj.att.com closing connection nomad!ggr,nomad!byrne,nomad!jtb,nomad!rak... Sent bentley!dfh... Connecting to bentley.dk... 220 bentley.garage.nj.att.com Sendmail 870819.ggr/870825 ready at 31 Aug 87 11:28:02 EDT (Mon) >>> HELO granjon.garage.nj.att.com 250 bentley.garage.nj.att.com Hello granjon.garage.nj.att.com, pleased to meet you >>> MAIL From: 250 ... Sender ok >>> RCPT To: 250 ... Recipient ok >>> DATA 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself 250 Ok >>> QUIT 221 bentley.garage.nj.att.com closing connection bentley!dfh... Sent ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by granjon.garage.nj.att.com; 8708311527 Date: Wed, 26-Aug-87 21:16:16 EDT From: stef@nma.COM.UUCP Subject: (none) Message-Id: Errors-To: Postmaster Sender: granjon!io!mtune!whuts!homxb!ihnp4!ptsfa!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!nma.COM!stef Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc Reply-To: Stef@NRTC.NORTHROP.COM Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Apparently-To: expdev I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 9 Sep 87 01:17:13 EDT Received: from garfld.msfc.nasa.gov (TCP 20047400401) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 9 Sep 87 01:00:04 EDT Date: 8 Sep 87 23:35:00 MST From: "Rich Drinkard" Subject: Please add me to the list To: "info-pcnet-request" Reply-To: "Rich Drinkard" *** EOOH *** Date: 8 Sep 87 23:35:00 MST From: Rich Drinkard Reply-To: Rich Drinkard To: info-pcnet-request Re: Please add me to the list  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 10 Sep 87 04:03:39 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 10 Sep 87 02:46:08 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 09/10/87 at 01:19:06 EDT Received: from URVAX.BITNET (LUNDIN) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 9548; Thu, 10 Sep 87 01:19:02 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Sep 87 01:15 EDT From: (John Lundin Jr) Subject: subscription request. more info? To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu, LUNDIN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 10 Sep 87 01:15 EDT From: (John Lundin Jr) To: info-pcnet-request at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: subscription request. more info? X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu, LUNDIN I was very interested in the description of your info-pcnet group in the arpanet.siglist bulletin. Are you relayed by a Bitnet site? If so, where? If not, please put me on your mailing list! As a Bitnet-only site, FTP won't work. How can I get more information on the pcnet specifications (and code if its available)? Any back messages? Thanks for your help. ---------------------------------------------------------------- John Lundin, Jr. BITnet: LUNDIN@URVAX arpa: lundin%urvax.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu otherwise you're on your own.  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 11 Sep 87 18:55:50 EDT Received: from GUNTER-ADAM.ARPA (TCP 3200200015) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 11 Sep 87 18:11:27 EDT Date: 11 Sep 1987 17:03:57 CDT Subject: Request add subscriber list From: 57CRS-CC@GUNTER-ADAM.ARPA To: info-pcnet-request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: 57CRS-CC@GUNTER-ADAM.ARPA *** EOOH *** Date: 11 Sep 1987 17:03:57 CDT From: 57CRS-CC at GUNTER-ADAM.ARPA To: info-pcnet-request at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: 57CRS-CC at GUNTER-ADAM.ARPA Re: Request add subscriber list Request I be added to info-pcnet distribution list. Terry L. Young  1,, Later, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 14 Sep 87 23:02:58 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 14 Sep 87 22:24:47 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 09/14/87 at 15:08:24 EDT Received: from UBVMS.BITNET (V152KZV9) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2675; Mon, 14 Sep 87 15:08:20 EDT Date: Mon, 14 Sep 87 14:57 EDT From: Subject: FTPing PCNET files To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu, V152KZV9 *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 14 Sep 87 14:57 EDT From: To: info-pcnet-request at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: FTPing PCNET files X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu, V152KZV9 Hello - I'm trying to get at the PCNET files available on SIMTEL20 through anonymous FTP. Could you tell me a FTP command sequence to get these files once I'm logged into the SIMTEL20 anonymous FTP server? Thanks in advance, /RS Robert Sweeney v152kzv9@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu v152kzv9@ubvms.bitnet  1,, Later, Date: Thu, 17 Sep 87 22:39:20 EDT From: "Pandora B. Berman" Subject: [Forwarded: stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa, Re: Must be for you ...] To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <256501.870917.CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 17 Sep 87 22:39:20 EDT From: Pandora B. Berman To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at AI.AI.MIT.EDU, MAP at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Re: [Forwarded: stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa, Re: Must be for you ...] good old STEF, can't be bothered to check whether there is a -REQ list... ---------- Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:59:59 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id aa19551; 26 Aug 87 15:55 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01603; 26 Aug 87 15:52 PDT To: postmaster@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: Communications Satellite Reply-to: Communications Satellite Subject: Must be for you ... Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 15:52:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1601.557016768@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud For some reason your list mailer sent these notices of failing adresses to me, when they clearly belong to you or someone at your site that has the capability to deal with the addresses in the subject list. -- Stef ------- Forwarded Message Subject: Msg of Wednesday, 26 August 1987 18:18-EDT From: Communications Satellite To: "stef%nma.com@nrtc.arpa"@nrtc Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 18:21:48 EDT ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============ "BILLW@SRI-KL.ARPA" at AI.AI.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. This name came from the expansion of (@FILE [PCNET;PCNET DIS]), from INFO-PCNET "HEINZE@SRI-KL.ARPA" at AI.AI.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. This name came from the expansion of (@FILE [PCNET;PCNET DIS]), from INFO-PCNET "BLAKE@ASTRO.UTEXAS.EDU" at AI.AI.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. This name came from the expansion of (@FILE [PCNET;PCNET DIS]), from INFO-PCNET ============ Failed message follows: ============ Received: from nrtc.arpa (TCP 20030600001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 Aug 87 18:18:12 EDT Received: from nma.com by nrtc.northrop.com id a019181; 26 Aug 87 15:14 PDT Received: from localhost by nma.com id aa01432; 26 Aug 87 14:09 PDT To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu cc: INFO-PCNET@ai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Aug 87 01:24:00 -0400. <245929.870825.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.arpa Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1429.557010560@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud I am sending this to the whole list, plus -request because I think it is important to immediately press a vital issue, as follows: The entire globe needs yet anotehr new protocol like it needs 5 billion new holes, one each in the heads of the earth's 5 billion people. We have seen much effort put into development of the new OSI stuff (ISO/CCITT/NBS/...). I would much prefer to see you and others put their efforts into spreading the new OSI stuff around and making it available and useful on lower order machines of the class we commonly call PC's today. In particular this includes the use of dialup public switched telephone connections to pass Mail, Transfer Files, and do Remote Logins. There is a reasonably large gap in the ISO/CCITT OSI suite in this special area. Use of DialUp connections is very hard to accomplish. But, at the higher levels (Session, Presentation, ASN.1, ROSE, ACSE, FTAM, et al) much of the desired work has been done. Much, but not all is freely available to the public (almost but not quite public domain). X.400 Mail Handling Systems are already available for MSDOS for prices under $500 per copy. I would propose that this revived PCNET effort be focused on taking this existing body of OSI stuff and porting it down to PC Class machines. And then add to it the ability to use DialUp connections at the Network Layer, under TP0 for use by Session and the other Higher Layers. You can freely obtain copies of the relevant ISO Development Environment stuff from several sources in the US and Europe. See my attached notice of a new FTAM Service that is offered in the UK. OIn shoort, there is a really massive movement already underway, and it is my proposal that you all work to take advantage of it by hooking the PCNET effort to it to make it available tro the masses of Isolated PC Class Systems out there in the DialUp World. - ------- Included FTAM Service Announcement Date: Sat, 22 Aug 87 11:27:59 +0100 Subject: FTAM Service at UCL From: Steve Kille To: rare-wg2%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, rare-wg1%vax.runit.unit.uninett@cs.ucl.ac.UK, mailgroup@cs.ucl.ac.UK, osi-tg%aucc.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.UK, isode@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.COM cc: service@cs.ucl.ac.UK I am pleased to announce an experimental FTAM service at UCL. Let me explain what I mean by this, and why I have sent this message to such a large group of people. By FTAM, I mean the ISODE implementation, which is to DIS, with a few pieces of critical information taken from the IS. By service, I mean that from now on, we intend to make all public files at UK.AC.UCL.CS (currently available by NIFTP), also available by FTAM. I believe that the software we have is now in a state where this will start to be useful to some sites. We have already shipped many megabytes over PSS, and have some confidence that this system is usable. To start with, the following are available: 1) UCL Service documents and guides 2) RFCs (the UCL collection, which is substantial, but not complete) 3) Mailgroup documents 4) ISODE Sources The service is available on PSS (23421920030016) and on Janet (0000051160016). It is also available on the Internet, at CS.UCL.AC.UK on the ISODE socket. The transport selector is 256, which should be ASCII encoded (we do also accept the rather bizarre US GOSIP encoding). There are no other selectors. Username "anon" will give public access. The locations of the files should be "obvious". Why announce this now? 1) This so far appears to be the only DIS FTAM implementation around. I do not really believe this, and hope that this may encourage some of the others to creeep out of the woodwork. Interworking tests are clearly desirable. Perhaps I should note here, is that UCL's interest is in promoting and using OSI. We are not intending to do FTAM development. 2) The timing is so that this topic may be discussed at the RARE WG1 and WG2 meetings, where it is relevant. In particular, I believe that this system is appropriate for an experimental RARE service, perhaps along the lines of the EAN experimental MHS service that has been emerging. This could be a core activity for WG2. WG1 have a need for document and table update. 3) It might be useful to someone What is the software? The ISODE software is written in C, and targetted initially for UNIX (it is aimed to be as independent of UNIX as possible). There will be a new release (ISODE 3.0) available in the near future. This will contain support for three different X.25 interfaces: SUN (Sunlink) Vax (CAMTEC Dexpand) Vax (DMF 32 + UBC interface) Announcements will be made to the ISODE list (contact isode-request@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com). Europeans may be added to the European expansion of this list (contact isode-request@cs.ucl.ac.uk). Who is responsible: Most of the system has been written by Marshall Rose of Northrop. Credit should also go to John Pavel of NPL and George Michaelson of UCL for making the X.25 fly, and to George for setting up the service. onward with OSI! Steve - ------- End of included FTAM Service Announcement ------- End of Forwarded Message  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 21 Sep 87 12:01:31 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 21 Sep 87 11:52:37 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 09/21/87 at 11:48:11 EDT Received: from SHSU.BITNET (UCS_KAS) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 0291; Sat, 19 Sep 87 15:13:15 EDT Date: Sat, 19 Sep 87 08:47 CDT From: (Ken Selvia 409-294-1853) Subject: PCNET To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU X-Original-To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, UCS_KAS *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 19 Sep 87 08:47 CDT From: (Ken Selvia 409-294-1853) To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Re: PCNET X-Original-To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, UCS_KAS Greetings! I would be grateful if you could add my address to the PCNET mailing list. Thanks much.  1,, Done, Date: Mon, 21 Sep 87 20:40:17 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Forwarding mis-directed Request mail To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: ELINZE%YALEVM.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <258035.870921.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 21 Sep 87 20:40:17 EDT From: Michael A. Patton To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: ELINZE%YALEVM.BITNET at MITVMA.MIT.EDU Re: Forwarding mis-directed Request mail Date: Mon, 21 Sep 87 13:56:17 EST From: Naama Zahavi-Ely To: INFO-PCNET digest Re: add to list Please add me to your mailing list. Thanks in advance, Naama Zahavi-Ely  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 22 Sep 87 00:08:24 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 21 Sep 87 21:31:51 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 09/21/87 at 20:00:46 EDT Received: from UMass (HAMPSRV) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 5137; Mon, 21 Sep 87 20:00:32 EDT Received: from Mars.UCC by UMass (name server) with BSMTP; 21 Sep 87 19:58:03 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Sep 87 19:45 EDT From: hampsrv%UMass.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: please!!! remove!!! *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 21 Sep 87 19:45 EDT From: hampsrv%UMass.BITNET at MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: info-pcnet-request at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: please!!! remove!!! We have arranged for reception of your list from a local source. Will you please remove the following two addresses from your list: hampsrv%umass.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu himac%umass.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu Thanks for your help! -- Michael Smith Network Manager Hampshire College (netmgr%umass.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu)  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 30 Sep 87 15:08:28 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 30 Sep 87 14:59:18 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 09/30/87 at 14:58:24 EDT Received: from UTARLVM1.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 7546; Wed, 30 Sep 87 14:57:40 EDT Received: by UTARLVM1 (Mailer X1.23b) id 5763; Wed, 30 Sep 87 13:30:18 CDT Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1987 13:30:07 CDT From: (S. Nomura) Subject: subscription To: *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1987 13:30:07 CDT From: (S. Nomura) To: Re: subscription Dear Sir, Please add my name to your mailing list. Thank you. S Nomura b470ssn@utarlvm1.bitnet  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 1 Oct 87 14:59:54 EDT Received: from lognet2.ARPA (TCP 3202000057) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 1 Oct 87 14:48:06 EDT Received: from wpdis01.ARPA (wpdis01.arpa.ARPA) by lognet2.ARPA id AA25678; Thu, 1 Oct 87 14:45:53 edt Return-Path: Received: by wpdis01.ARPA id AA13094; Thu, 1 Oct 87 14:37:09 edt Message-Id: <8710011837.AA13094@wpdis01.ARPA> Date: Thu Oct 1 14:37:00 1987 From: bradford@wpdis01.ARPA (Larry Bradford) Subject: Distribution To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Status: N *** EOOH *** Date: Thu Oct 1 14:37:00 1987 From: bradford at wpdis01.ARPA (Larry Bradford) To: info-pcnet-request at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: Distribution Status: N Please add my name to the distribution list.  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 6 Oct 87 13:00:35 EDT Received: from UACSC1.ALBANY.EDU (TCP 20063000402) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 6 Oct 87 12:28:09 EDT Date: 6 Oct 1987 08:47:26 EST From: "John Bunch" Reply-to: J.Bunch@UACSC1.ALBANY.EDU To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Add me to the mailing list *** EOOH *** Date: 6 Oct 1987 08:47:26 EST From: John Bunch Reply-To: J.Bunch at UACSC1.ALBANY.EDU To: info-pcnet-request at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: Add me to the mailing list I would like to be added to the list......  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 13 Oct 87 09:15:27 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 13 Oct 87 09:06:55 EDT Received: from (MAILER)MITVMA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU on 10/13/87 at 09:04:10 EDT Received: from HGRRUG52.BITNET (ZWANENBU) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 9560; Tue, 13 Oct 87 09:04:06 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 14:04 N From: Subject: MAILING LIST To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU X-Original-To: MIT%"INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU", ZWANENBURG *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 14:04 N From: To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Re: MAILING LIST X-Original-To: MIT%"INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU", ZWANENBURG PLEASE ADD MY NAME TO THE MAILING LIST. GODWIN ZWANENBURG EARN ADDRESS: "ZWANENBURG@HGRRUG52" GRONINGEN THE NETHERLANDS.  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 23 Oct 87 02:00:59 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 23 Oct 87 01:22:20 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Fri, 23 Oct 87 01:21:50 EST Received: from YALEVM.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 0795; Fri, 23 Oct 87 01:19:14 EST Received: by YALEVM (Mailer X1.24) id 3081; Thu, 22 Oct 87 23:36:33 EST Date: Thu, 22 Oct 87 23:36:17 EST From: Louis Alvarado Subject: addition To: moderator *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 22 Oct 87 23:36:17 EST From: Louis Alvarado To: moderator Re: addition Please add me to your mailing list. Thank you.  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 Oct 87 17:12:01 EST Received: from ATHENA (TCP 2222000047) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 Oct 87 17:10:47 EST Received: by ATHENA.MIT.EDU (5.45/4.7) id AA04338; Sun, 25 Oct 87 17:09:00 EST Message-Id: <8710252209.AA04338@ATHENA.MIT.EDU> Received: by cogito id AA00789g; Sun, 25 Oct 87 17:05:58 est Date: Sun, 25 Oct 87 17:05:58 est From: David Nash To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 25 Oct 87 17:05:58 est From: David Nash To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Please add me to the INFO-PCNET mailing list. -DGN  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 27 Oct 87 01:08:00 EST Received: from RELAY.CS.NET (TCP 1201000005) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 27 Oct 87 01:02:43 EST Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id as19132; 26 Oct 87 20:54 EST Received: from rca.com by csnet-relay.csnet id ac09494; 26 Oct 87 18:25 EST Date: Mon, 26 Oct 87 08:42 EST From: "Gerry Van Trieste : DIALCOMM 777-6392" To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Please Remove user PCHEN@RCA.COM from your mailing list *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 26 Oct 87 08:42 EST From: Gerry Van Trieste : DIALCOMM 777-6392 To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: Please Remove user PCHEN@RCA.COM from your mailing list Please remove user PCHEN@rca.com from your distribution list as he is no longer at this address. No forwarding address is available. Thank You, Gerry Van Trieste GVANTRIESTE@RCA.COM (postmaster)  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 29 Oct 87 20:59:49 EST Received: from optimis-pent.arpa (TCP 3201000032) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 29 Oct 87 20:58:44 EST Date: 29 Oct 87 20:50:00 EDT From: "KANTI, MR SANTI/A2891084" Subject: mailing list To: "info-pcnet-request" Reply-To: "KANTI, MR SANTI/A2891084" *** EOOH *** Date: 29 Oct 87 20:50:00 EDT From: "KANTI, MR SANTI/A2891084" Reply-To: "KANTI, MR SANTI/A2891084" To: info-pcnet-request Re: mailing list Gentlemen: Please add my name to your mailing. Please ndrop me a note just to acknowledge this mail. Thank You S. Knatianti  1,, Later, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 8 Nov 87 11:25:25 EST Received: from OFFICE-1.ARPA (TCP 3201400200) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 8 Nov 87 11:23:28 EST Received: from F29.Tymnet by OFFICE-1.ARPA; 8 Nov 87 08:16:44 PST Received: from EMSTUMS.Ontyme.Tymnet by F29.Tymnet; Sun, 8 Nov 87 8:16:24 PST From: IPC.J/WEINHOLD%EMSTUMS.Ontyme.Tymnet@OFFICE-1.ARPA Date: 08 NOV 87 16:08:51 To: Message-id: A30727@Ontyme.Tymnet Subject: Add me to INFO-PCNET distribution list *** EOOH *** Date: 08 NOV 87 16:08:51 From: IPC.J/WEINHOLD%EMSTUMS.Ontyme.Tymnet at OFFICE-1.ARPA To: Re: Add me to INFO-PCNET distribution list Subject: Add me to INFO-PCNET distribution list Please add me to the INFO-PCNET distribution list. Thanks, Jim Weinhold  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 03:36:52 EST Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 03:28:51 EST Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 03:25:53 EST Date: Mon, 9 Nov 87 03:28:15 EST From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Monday, 9 November 1987 02:56-EST To: "@AI.AI.MIT.EDU,@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu"@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <324804.871109@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 9 Nov 87 03:28:15 EST From: Communications Satellite To: "@AI.AI.MIT.EDU,@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu" at AI.AI.MIT.EDU Re: Msg of Monday, 9 November 1987 02:56-EST FAILED: CLJ at MX.LCS.MIT.EDU; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. FAILED: FFM at MX.LCS.MIT.EDU; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. FAILED: RICK at MX.LCS.MIT.EDU; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. FAILED: SIRBU at MX.LCS.MIT.EDU; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: ------- Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 02:55:41 EST Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 02:14:33 EST Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (TCP 1200400116) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 02:16:45 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA19139; Sun, 8 Nov 87 22:48:57 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Nov 87 05:56:36 GMT From: ddl@husc6.harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Organization: Harvard University Computer Services Subject: how to "NET SEND" Message-Id: <3136@husc6.UUCP> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Does anyone know to which name object to connect (or send datagrams) to in order to convince the PC Network Program that it received a message similar to that generated by a "NET SEND" command? (And the format of the data would be useful too...) Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.*  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 11 Nov 87 02:50:30 EST Received: from clark-emh.arpa (TCP 3200200131) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 11 Nov 87 02:11:56 EST Date: 11 Nov 87 06:49:30 GMT From: jedi @ Clark-EMH.arpa To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST @ MC.LCS.MIT.EDU *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 11 Nov 87 02:50:30 EST Received: from clark-emh.arpa (TCP 3200200131) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 11 Nov 87 02:11:56 EST Date: 11 Nov 87 06:49:30 GMT From: jedi @ Clark-EMH.arpa To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST @ MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Please add me to your list for distribution. I can be reached as follows jedi @ Clark-EMH.arpa Thank you, Mike Hampton]  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 12 Nov 87 13:02:20 EST Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 12 Nov 87 13:04:06 EST Date: Thu, 12 Nov 87 13:01:46 EST From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Monday, 9 November 1987 02:16-EST To: "@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu"@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <284423.871112@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 12 Nov 87 13:01:46 EST From: Communications Satellite To: "@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu" at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Re: Msg of Monday, 9 November 1987 02:16-EST FAILED: pcnet at LOGICON.ARPA; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: ------- Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 02:14:33 EST Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (TCP 1200400116) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 02:16:45 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA19139; Sun, 8 Nov 87 22:48:57 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Nov 87 05:56:36 GMT From: ddl@husc6.harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Organization: Harvard University Computer Services Subject: how to "NET SEND" Message-Id: <3136@husc6.UUCP> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Does anyone know to which name object to connect (or send datagrams) to in order to convince the PC Network Program that it received a message similar to that generated by a "NET SEND" command? (And the format of the data would be useful too...) Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.*  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 12 Nov 87 13:25:48 EST Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 12 Nov 87 13:23:42 EST Date: Thu, 12 Nov 87 13:21:24 EST From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Monday, 9 November 1987 02:16-EST To: "@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu"@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <284437.871112@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 12 Nov 87 13:21:24 EST From: Communications Satellite To: "@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu" at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Re: Msg of Monday, 9 November 1987 02:16-EST FAILED: SCTC.AFCC at AFCC-3.ARPA; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: ------- Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 02:14:33 EST Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (TCP 1200400116) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 02:16:45 EST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA19139; Sun, 8 Nov 87 22:48:57 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Nov 87 05:56:36 GMT From: ddl@husc6.harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Organization: Harvard University Computer Services Subject: how to "NET SEND" Message-Id: <3136@husc6.UUCP> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Does anyone know to which name object to connect (or send datagrams) to in order to convince the PC Network Program that it received a message similar to that generated by a "NET SEND" command? (And the format of the data would be useful too...) Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.*  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 15 Nov 87 04:51:35 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 15 Nov 87 04:44:09 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Fri, 13 Nov 87 20:00:33 EST Received: from SBCCVM.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 7840; Fri, 13 Nov 87 20:00:18 EST Received: by SBCCVM (Mailer X1.25) id 7756; Fri, 13 Nov 87 19:37:53 EST Date: Fri, 13 Nov 87 19:36:22 EST From: Eugene Choi To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 15 Nov 87 04:51:35 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 15 Nov 87 04:44:09 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Fri, 13 Nov 87 20:00:33 EST Received: from SBCCVM.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 7840; Fri, 13 Nov 87 20:00:18 EST Received: by SBCCVM (Mailer X1.25) id 7756; Fri, 13 Nov 87 19:37:53 EST Date: Fri, 13 Nov 87 19:36:22 EST From: Eugene Choi To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Hi. I am interested in getting onto the PCNET discussion, and possibly interested in joining this thing. Is this possible from BITNET? If so, what would I need to do? Thanks.  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 15 Nov 87 17:32:46 EST Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu (TCP 20032201015) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 15 Nov 87 17:29:46 EST Received: from CALSTATE.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Fri, 13 Nov 87 13:04:20 CDT Received: by CCS.CSUSCC.CALSTATE.EDU from CSUNet by CSUMailer (1.0a); Comment: 13 Nov 87 11:01:05 PST Date: 13 Nov 87 10:59:43 PST From: csuserv%CALSTATE.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Undeliverable message Comment: This user is not a valid mail ID. *** EOOH *** Date: 13 Nov 87 10:59:43 PST From: csuserv%CALSTATE.BITNET at wiscvm.wisc.edu To: info-pcnet-request at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: Undeliverable message Comment: 13 Nov 87 11:01:05 PST Comment: This user is not a valid mail ID. +--------------------------------+ : A copy of your message follows : +--------------------------------+ Received: by CALSTATE via BITNet with NJF for L5USAAI@CALSTATE; Comment: 13 Nov 87 10:59:19 PST Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Mon, 09 Nov 87 02:30:25 EST Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 02:14:33 E Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (TCP 1200400116) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 9 Nov 87 Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA19139; Sun, 8 Nov 87 22:48:57 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs. Date: 9 Nov 87 05:56:36 GMT From: ddl@husc6.harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Organization: Harvard University Computer Services Subject: how to "NET SEND" Message-Id: <3136@husc6.UUCP> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Resent-To: L5USAAI@CCS.CSUSCC.CALSTATE.EDU Does anyone know to which name object to connect (or send datagrams) to in order to convince the PC Network Program that it received a message similar to that generated by a "NET SEND" command? (And the format of the data would be useful too...) Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.*  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 16 Nov 87 01:03:21 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 16 Nov 87 00:36:50 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Mon, 16 Nov 87 00:32:13 EST Received: from SKIDMORE.BITNET (KAHNP) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 1920; Mon, 16 Nov 87 00:32:10 EST Date: Mon, 16 Nov 87 00:32 EDT From: (I'm shooting into the light) Subject: resquesting subscription To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu, KAHNP *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 16 Nov 87 01:03:21 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 16 Nov 87 00:36:50 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Mon, 16 Nov 87 00:32:13 EST Received: from SKIDMORE.BITNET (KAHNP) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 1920; Mon, 16 Nov 87 00:32:10 EST Date: Mon, 16 Nov 87 00:32 EDT From: (I'm shooting into the light) Subject: resquesting subscription To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu, KAHNP Would you please add my name and mailing address to your list? Thank you very much for your time. Peter Kahn  1,, Done, Date: Fri, 27 Nov 87 17:15:00 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Forwarding mis-directed mail To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: KHINDRIA%MCMASTER.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <292011.871127.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 27 Nov 87 17:15:00 EST From: Michael A. Patton To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: KHINDRIA%MCMASTER.BITNET at MITVMA.MIT.EDU Re: Forwarding mis-directed mail Date: Thu, 26 Nov 87 12:42 EDT From: To: map at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: pcnet X-Original-To: map@mc.lcs.mit.edu, KHINDRIA Please add me to your list P.S. to : The list is extremely quiescent, don't expect to actually see any mail very soon.  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 29 Nov 87 18:27:59 EST Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 2420) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 29 Nov 87 18:29:51 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by XX.LCS.MIT.EDU with TCP/SMTP; Sun 29 Nov 87 18:24:37-EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Sun, 29 Nov 87 18:05:03 EST Received: from UOTTAWA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 8439; Sun, 29 Nov 87 18:04:51 EST Received: by UOTTAWA (Mailer X1.24) id 7610; Sun, 29 Nov 87 18:05:05 EST Date: Sun, 29 Nov 87 18:04:30 EST From: Marc Davidson To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 29 Nov 87 18:27:59 EST Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 2420) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 29 Nov 87 18:29:51 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by XX.LCS.MIT.EDU with TCP/SMTP; Sun 29 Nov 87 18:24:37-EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Sun, 29 Nov 87 18:05:03 EST Received: from UOTTAWA.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 8439; Sun, 29 Nov 87 18:04:51 EST Received: by UOTTAWA (Mailer X1.24) id 7610; Sun, 29 Nov 87 18:05:05 EST Date: Sun, 29 Nov 87 18:04:30 EST From: Marc Davidson To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Please add JMD2F@UOTTAWA to the PCNET mailing list.  1,, Done, Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 17 Dec 87 00:06:21 EST Received: from GTEWIS.ARPA (TCP 3201600102) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 16 Dec 87 23:50:45 EST Date: Wed, 16 Dec 87 17:55:44 EST From: rdavenport@GTEWIS.ARPA Subject: Mailing List To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 17 Dec 87 00:06:21 EST Received: from GTEWIS.ARPA (TCP 3201600102) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 16 Dec 87 23:50:45 EST Date: Wed, 16 Dec 87 17:55:44 EST From: rdavenport@GTEWIS.ARPA Subject: Mailing List To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Hello! I'd like to be placed on your interest group mailing list. Thanks! Rob Davenport rdavenport@gtewis.arpa GTE Government Systems Billerica, MA  0,, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 18 Dec 87 01:29:11 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Dec 87 01:12:37 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Fri, 18 Dec 87 01:12:03 EST X-Delivery-Notice: SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender. Received: from UNCAEDU.BITnet (MAILER) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 8400; Fri, 18 Dec 87 01:12:00 EST Date: Thu, 17 Dec 87 09:47:30 MST From: seto%UNCAEDU.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Message-Id: <871217094730.0bd@UcEdu.UNCA.AdhocNet.CA> Subject: Information request To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-ST-Vmsmail-To: ST%"info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu" Could you please send me information regarding your mailing list? I am working in the area of micro computer communications. Thank you Tom Seto University of Calgary  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 18 Dec 87 16:00:29 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Dec 87 15:48:46 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Fri, 18 Dec 87 15:47:54 EST Received: from UPEI by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2114; Fri, 18 Dec 87 15:47:24 EST Date: 18 Dec 87 16:44:34 AST From: "ARTHURS" To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: ADDITION TO LIST Message-ID: ARTHURS@UPEI THANKS  0,, *** EOOH *** Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 2420) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 19 Dec 87 18:28:08 EST Return-Path:<> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1987 18:19 EST Message-ID: From: Rob Austein To: Rahul Dhesi <00R0DHESI%bsu.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Cc: Postmaster@íc.lcs.mit.edu¬info-pcnet@ÍC.LCS.MIT.EDU¬info-pcnet-request@ÍC.LCS.MIT.EDUŠ Subject: INFO-PCNET@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU shut down Reply-To: Postmaster@mc.lcs.mit.edu In-reply-to: Msg of 18 Dec 1987 09:25-EST from Rahul Dhesi <00R0DHESI%bsu.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> Date: Friday, 18 December 1987 09:25-EST From: Rahul Dhesi <00R0DHESI%bsu.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET> To: info-pcnet@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Re: Darned info-pcnet list--get me off it ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Postmaster at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU ReSent-Date: Sat 19 Dec 1987 12:45-MST Keith, thanks for forwarding this. Does anybody know who is responsible for the info-pcnet fiasco, and why they can't fix it? I keep receiving messages from this list, despite repeated attempts to get removed from this list. Probably because the original moderator/coordinator went away and the person who revived the list didn't take responsibility for taking over coordination. The Postmaster at mc.lcs.mit.edu seems to just ignore my requests that something be done about this infernal list, and so does the info-pcnet-request address. I don't recall having seen any previous message on this subject sent to Postmaster@MC, unless you're the person who sent the nastygram a month or so ago threatening to send repeat copies of that message every hour until somebody did what you wanted (I intentionally forget about messages like that). In any case, there are better ways to introduce yourself to random strangers when you're about to ask them to do something for you. Can anybody supply me with a telephone number for the culprits responsible for this list? Or a US postal address? Perhaps verbal threats or through the US mail will have some effect. Or, if you happen to be in the area, I respectfully request you to unplug the computer system responsible for this list, or use any other means necessary to shut it down. Thank-you. Again, a little courtesy would be appreciated. For your sake, I do hope you weren't serious about the last part of this; the MIT campus police take a dim view of this sort of thing. Effective immediately, the INFO-PCNET@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU list is shut down, pending someone willing to step forward to act as a responsible coordinator. --Rob Austein (for Postmaster@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU)  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 21 Dec 87 02:35:05 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 21 Dec 87 02:36:14 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Mon, 21 Dec 87 02:35:24 EST Received: from NUSDISCS.BITNET (ANANDA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 8224; Mon, 21 Dec 87 02:35:19 EST Date: Mon, 21 Dec 87 15:33 H From: Subject: subscription To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu, ANANDA Please put me on this list Thanks  0,, *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 21 Dec 87 12:37:43 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Darned info-pcnet list--get me off it To: 00R0DHESI%bsu.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET cc: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Fri 18 Dec 87 09:25 EST from Rahul Dhesi <00R0DHESI%bsu.csnet at RELAY.CS.NET> Message-ID: <302411.871221.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> YOU ARE NOT ON THE LIST RIGHT NOW!!!! Do you have to flame the entire list? I realize you may have an inferiority complex and need to shout to the world to make you feel better, but the amount of traffic on the PCNet list doesn't seem to warrant that even from you! According to my records in the -Request list, you appear to have made only ONE request, which was unfortunately mangled by some mailer (I only guess it's yours after the fact, I certainly couldn't recognize the address at the time), before becoming so enraged. Your problems are the LEAST of the problems I have in maintaining this list at all. If there weren't several thousand people who still thought it worth being on this list, it would get punted, but I see no reason to penalize all these people because of your puerile feelings of persecution. Maybe next time you'll consider the time others are spending in support of your requests and put more effort into civilized solutions. Mike Patton Info-PCNet maintainer (part time)  0,, *** EOOH *** Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 2420) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 21 Dec 87 17:38:34 EST Return-Path: Received: from esdvax.arpa by XX.LCS.MIT.EDU with TCP/SMTP; Mon 21 Dec 87 17:32:09-EST Date: 21 Dec 87 17:27:00 GMT+109:13 From: "GERRY SCHMID" Subject: info-pcnet list To: "sra" Reply-To: "GERRY SCHMID" ReSent-Date: Mon 21 Dec 87 17:33:23-EST ReSent-From: Rob Austein ReSent-To: jtw@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU, map@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU, info-pcnet-request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU ReSent-Message-ID: <12360335977.39.SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 21-Dec-1987 17:27 From: Gerry Schmid Username: SCHMIDG Dept: Tel No: (617)-256-3969 TO: _MAILER! ( _DDN[SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU] ) CC: _MAILER! ( _DDN[POSTMASTER@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU] ) Subject: info-pcnet list Rob, I am willing to act as a responsible coordinator of the info-pcnet list if there is interest in keeping it going. I would however need an account on the local machine as this system cannot be used for such purpose. Gerry. ------  0,, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 6 Jan 88 14:52:13 EST Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 6 Jan 88 14:51:36 EST Date: Wed, 6 Jan 88 14:51:03 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: ["GERRY SCHMID" : info-pcnet list] To: SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: postmaster@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, Info-PCNet-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Tue 5 Jan 88 19:37:18-EST from Rob Austein Message-ID: <307566.880106.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> The lossage was really only one person as far as I can really tell. Unfortunately it happened just as I was going away for holidays, I was in fact logging on just now with the express intent of checking out how things are and after suitable verification, turning it back on. Please stand by, more in a little bit. Mike Patton  0, answered,, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 6 Jan 88 15:13:49 EST Received: from garfld.msfc.nasa.gov (TCP 20047400401) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 6 Jan 88 15:08:35 EST Date: 6 Jan 88 14:11:00 CST From: Subject: Please add me to the INFO-PCNET LIST To: "info-pcnet-request" Reply-To: Please add Drinkard@garfld.msfc.nasa.gov to the INFO-PCNET list. Thanks Rich Drinkard ------ >>>Maybe duplicate, requested further info 11:54am Thursday, 7 January 1988 -MAP 0,, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 6 Jan 88 15:14:19 EST Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 2420) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 6 Jan 88 15:13:54 EST Date: Wed 6 Jan 88 15:14:43-EST From: Rob Austein Subject: Re: ["GERRY SCHMID" : info-pcnet list] To: MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: postmaster@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, Info-PCNet-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <307566.880106.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Message-ID: <12364505035.38.SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 88 14:51:03 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" The lossage was really only one person as far as I can really tell. I got a mailbox full of comments (impassioned thank you notes, really) from other people who claimed to have been trying to get the attention of INFO-PCNET-REQUEST for months with no result other than sore spots where their heads were impacting the wall. I've no intention of pointing claws, but if you think this was an isolated complaint, you're seriously confused. Unfortunately it happened just as I was going away for holidays, I was in fact logging on just now with the express intent of checking out how things are and after suitable verification, turning it back on. Please stand by, more in a little bit. Ok. -------  0,, *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 6 Jan 88 16:49:21 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: PCNet mailing lists To: SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, postmaster@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Wed 6 Jan 88 15:14:43-EST from Rob Austein Message-ID: <307641.880106.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Well, it was really wrong. Unfortunately most of the wrongness was in the part that told me about wrongnesses (Murphy sez!). I believe it is all fixed now. I'm not exactly sure what caused it to become wrong however, probably just an ancient typo. The list and the -Request were both sufficiently idle that the complete absence of any mail wasn't noticably different. Mea Culpa, I appologize. Hopefully all is well now, any further problems should be directed to the -Request which now DOES send to me.  0,, *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 8 Jan 88 12:21:46 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: List-of-lists updated To: ZELLICH@SRI-NIC.ARPA cc: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Mon 4 Jan 88 06:27:34 PST from Rich Zellich Message-ID: <308716.880108.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Info-PCNet has not gone away! It was turned off during Christmas vacation because of some problems, but has been turned back on. I'm not sure why it got deleted from your list of lists, I was listed as the maintainer but was never contacted about this. If you could locate a copy of the former listing and send a copy to me (at Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU) I would be glad to review it for reinstatement. If you can't easily find an old copy, I can probably reconstruct most of it from scratch.  0,, *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 11 Jan 88 10:28:56 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: [ZELLICH: List-of-lists updated] To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <309677.880111.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 88 06:16:00 PST From: Rich Zellich To: MAP at AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: ZELLICH at SRI-NIC.ARPA Re: List-of-lists updated I got a message saying the list had been shut off, and then dropped it from the list. Sorry, I don't have any older copies of the file -it's too big to keep multiple copies around. If you can send me a short list description, locationof archives (if any) and contact/-request address, list name and address, and coordinator name and address,I'll re-add Info-PCNet to the list. Cheers, Rich  0,, *** EOOH *** Received: from GAAK.LCS.MIT.EDU (TCP 2206400041) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 11 Jan 88 22:53:44 EST Received: by GAAK.LCS.MIT.EDU (4.12/4.7); Mon, 11 Jan 88 22:52:51 est Date: Mon, 11 Jan 88 22:52:51 est From: map@GAAK.LCS.MIT.EDU (Michael A. Patton) Message-Id: <8801120352.AA10400@GAAK.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu HEATH-PEOPLE@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Discussion of the construction, use, and modification of Heath terminals and computers, and related Zenith products. The archives of old messages are kept on MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, in files: COMAIL;HEATH MAIL1 -Oldest Mail COMAIL;HEATH MAIL2 -Next oldest etc. -Up to 8 as of 26 August 86 COMAIL;HEATH MAIL -Incoming mail is being added to this one These files are each stored in reverse time order (i.e. newer messages come first in the file, older messages are later). Each of the files is between approx. 100K and 150K characters. Copies of these files are available via FTP with no login needed. All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to HEATH-PEOPLE-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU. Coordinator: Michael A. Patton  0,, *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 11 Jan 88 23:13:41 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Information for Info-PCNet listing in list-of-lists To: Zellich@SRI-NIC.ARPA cc: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <310061.880111.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Info-PCNet@AI.AI.MIT.EDU This list was started in the 1970's to discuss and begin implementing a network of personal computers to extend the advantages of net-mail to the large community of personal computer users. A nearly complete specification for the protocol layers and all protocols needed for mail and file transferm has been written. A few partial implementations have been done and one complete one. Recently the list has not been very active, although some discussion does occur. The archive of old messages is kept on AI.AI.MIT.EDU, in the file PCNET;INFPCN ARCHIV There is also extensive documentation and partial code which has been migrated to backup tapes. All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU. Coordinator: Michael A. Patton Thanks, Mike Patton P.S. Since I did this starting from the listing for Heath-People which I also maintained, I noticed a few minor inaccuracies there. This is an updated entry: Heath-People@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Discussion of the construction, use, and modification of Heath and/or Zenith terminals, computers, and related products. The archives of old messages are kept on MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, in files: COMAIL;HEATH MAIL1 -Oldest Mail COMAIL;HEATH MAIL2 -Next oldest etc. -Up to 8 as of 26 August 86 COMAIL;HEATH MAIL -Incoming mail is being added to this one These files are each stored in reverse time order (i.e. newer messages come first in the file, older messages are later). Each of the files is between approx. 100K and 150K characters. Copies of these files are available via FTP with no login needed. Some of these are off-line, if you get an error send a request to the administrative address below and we can put them on-line briefly. All requests to be added to or deleted from this list, problems, questions, etc., should be sent to Heath-People-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU. Coordinator: Michael A. Patton  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 14 Jan 88 18:09:43 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 14 Jan 88 18:12:44 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Thu, 14 Jan 88 18:11:17 EST Received: from TAMODP.BITNET (EDWIN) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2965; Thu, 14 Jan 88 18:11:13 EST Date: Thu, 14 Jan 88 16:03 CST From: Subject: add To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Please add me to your PCNET mailing list. Thank you. EDWIN@TAMODP.BITNET Edwin Garrett >>>Done 2:08pm Thursday, 21 January 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 21 Jan 88 13:50:22 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: [MAP: Forwarding mis-directed mail] To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <314255.880121.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 88 19:22:43 EST From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Forwarding mis-directed mail To: HEATH-PEOPLE-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: operator@NSWC-G.ARPA Message-ID: <313869.880120.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> This should have been sent to Heath-People-Request: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 88 19:13:04 est From: operator at nswc-g.ARPA To: MAP at ai.ai.mit.edu cc: SURF-PCNET at nswc-g.ARPA, operator at nswc-g.arpa Re: Please, Add "SURF-PCNET@nswc-g.arpa" Full-Name: nswc-g Michael A. Patton: Please, add the local-ALIAS: SURF-PCNET@nswc-g.arpa to INFO-PCNET distribution. I maintain the local-ALIAS. Michael R. Pabrinkis (K33) operator@nswc-g.arpa Naval Surface Warfare Center (703)663-7529 Dahlgren, VA 22448 (AV)249-7529 >>>Finally done right 2:09pm Thursday, 21 January 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from nardacva.arpa (TCP 3202000037) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 28 Jan 88 12:36:19 EST Date: 28 Jan 88 10:59:00 EST From: "DAVID_CHAPMAN" Subject: Dist List To: "info-pcnet-request" Please add me to your distribution list. Thanks! David Chapman NARDAC Norfolk zn0chapman @ nardacva.arpa (note: that's Z N ...)  0,, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from trwind.ind.TRW.COM (TCP 20101010106) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 2 Feb 88 13:27:38 EST Received: by trwind.ind.TRW.COM (5.54/1.36) id AA17899; Tue, 2 Feb 88 10:25:54 PST Date: Tue, 2 Feb 88 10:25:54 PST From: geoffb@trwind.ind.trw.com (G. Geoffrey Baehr) Message-Id: <8802021825.AA17899@trwind.ind.TRW.COM> To: info-PCNet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: Mailing List Addition hi there, would you please add the following address to the mailing list: pcnet@trwind.ind.trw.com We will handle internal redistribution, in case of mail brain damage, contact is: geoffb@ale.ind.trw.com. Thanks ! geoffrey baehr >>>Don't know this host!!! 1:41pm Friday, 5 February 1988 -MAP  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 9 Feb 88 04:11:22 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 9 Feb 88 04:10:43 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Tue, 09 Feb 88 04:09:15 EST Received: from HEARN.NL by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 7149; Tue, 09 Feb 88 04:09:11 EST Received: by HEARN (Mailer X1.25) id 0901; Tue, 09 Feb 88 10:08:02 MET Date: 09 Feb 1988 10:07 MET From: Jan van der Weerd Subject: subscribe To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu sub info-pcnet Jan van der Weerd, CRI, Leiden, Holland >>>Added 3:13pm Friday, 19 February 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 11 Feb 88 23:28:51 EST Received: from CSLI.Stanford.EDU (TCP 4402200056) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 11 Feb 88 23:27:09 EST Date: Thu 11 Feb 88 20:25:21-PST From: Jim Lewinson Subject: CSLI.Stanford.EDU's Demise (Sniff.) To: INFO-1100-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU, AIList-REQUEST@KL.SRI.COM, ARMS-D-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, HUMAN-NETS@RUTGERS.EDU, INFO-CPM-Request@BRL.ARPA, INFO-IBMPC-Request@A.ISI.EDU, INFO-GRAPHICS-Request@UTEXAS-20.utexas.edu, INFO-HAMS-Request@SIMTEL20.ARPA, INFO-LAW-REQUEST@sem.brl.mil, INFO-MAC-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU, INFO-MICRO-Request@BRL.ARPA, INFO-PCNET-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, INFO-TERMS-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, INFO-UNIX-Request@BRL.ARPA, LASER-LOVERS-Request@brillig.umd.edu, SF-LOVERS-REQUEST@RUTGERS.EDU, SOFT-ENG-REQUEST@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU, SPACE-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, SUN-SPOTS-Request@RICE.EDU Reply-To: a.Jiml@GSB-Why.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: <12374031539.11.JIML@CSLI.Stanford.EDU> This machine, CSLI.Stanford.EDU is about to go away. Actually, its name will move from a DEC-2065 to a SUN, so mail will still end up someplace. However, it won't be the right place anymore. Could you please remove INCOMING-Listname@Csli.stanford.edu (A.K.A. Turing.Stanford.EDU) from your list? Thanks, Jim Lewinson Postmaster ------- >>>Removed 3:15pm Friday, 19 February 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 22 Feb 88 03:26:34 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 22 Feb 88 03:25:54 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Mon, 22 Feb 88 03:22:41 EST Received: from VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2400; Mon, 22 Feb 88 03:22:36 EST Received: by UIUCVMD (Mailer X1.25) id 1820; Sun, 21 Feb 88 22:27:30 CST Date: 21 February 1988 22:22:40 CST From: Bill Rogers To: Subject: add me,please. Please add me to your distributuion list. Also could you send me some information about obtaining archives of past discussions. Thanks, Bill >>>Added 2:49pm Monday, 22 February 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from s.cc.purdue.edu (TCP 20064400404) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 1 Mar 88 11:14:43 EST Received: by s.cc.purdue.edu (5.54/1.14) id AA25929; Tue, 1 Mar 88 11:10:20 EST Date: Tue, 1 Mar 88 11:10:20 EST From: rsk@s.cc.purdue.edu (Wombat) Message-Id: <8803011610.AA25929@s.cc.purdue.edu> To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: Please remove me from this mailing list. Thanks, Rich Kulawiec  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 7 Mar 88 08:48:06 EST Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (TCP 20071000402) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 7 Mar 88 08:07:30 EST Received: from ISRAEARN.BITNET by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU ; Mon, 07 Mar 88 08:05:49 EST Date: Mon, 07 Mar 88 10:27:51 IST To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.EDU From: SATRAN%ISRAEARN.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Comment: CROSSNET mail via SMTP@CUNYVM Return-Receipt-To: SATRAN@ISRAEARN.BITNET Subject: subscription to info-pcnet at mc.lcs.mit.edu Date: 7 March 1988, 10:26:48 IST From: Julian Satran +972-4-296-264 SATRAN at ISRAEARN To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST at MC.LCS.MIT Signon  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 16 Mar 88 20:04:14 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 16 Mar 88 20:03:28 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 88 20:02:27 EST Received: from UCHCECVM.BITNET (CECNET) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2224; Wed, 16 Mar 88 20:02:25 EST Date: 16 Mar 88 21:01 HOC From: CECNET%UCHCECVM.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST @ MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: BITNET mail follows Date: Wed Mar 16 20:57:44 1988 From: Subject: Request of information To: I'm in BITNET and i want information on PCNET, you can help me? Pedro Sepulveda Jeldres Universidad de Santiago de Chile  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 17 Mar 88 18:09:54 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 17 Mar 88 18:09:13 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 88 18:08:05 EST Received: from AUDUCVAX.BITNET (WARLICK) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 1329; Thu, 17 Mar 88 18:08:03 EST Date: Thu, 17 Mar 88 17:09 CST From: Subject: add to list To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU X-Original-To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, WARLICK Please add me to the distribution list for PCNET. Chuck Warlick WARLICK@AUDUCVAX  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from SRI-NIC.ARPA (TCP 1200000063) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 Mar 88 14:36:25 EST Date: Fri, 25 Mar 88 11:33:17 PST From: Vivian Neou Subject: Please remove To: info-pcnet-request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: vivian@SRI-NIC.ARPA, postmaster@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <12385206870.25.VIVIAN@SRI-NIC.ARPA> Please remove INFO-PCNET-NIC@SRI-NIC.ARPA from the INFO-PCNET mailing list. I've removed this address from our mailing list, so it is no longer valid. Thanks. Vivian Neou -------  0, answered,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 29 Mar 88 04:51:25 EST Received: from uunet.UU.NET (TCP 30003106601) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 29 Mar 88 04:50:08 EST Received: from enea.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET (5.54/1.14) with UUCP id AA15382; Tue, 29 Mar 88 04:47:38 EST Received: by enea.se (5.57++/1.20) id AA13128; Tue, 29 Mar 88 11:22:51 +0200 (MET) From: etxaax@vaxs.ericsson.se Received: by erix.ericsson.se (5.51/4.7) id AA16228; Tue, 29 Mar 88 11:05:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 88 11:05:23 +0200 Message-Id: <8803290905.AA16228@erix.ericsson.se> To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@mc.lcs.mit.edu Hi! --- Please add my address to your mailing list for the INFO-PCNET list. My name is Anders Axelsson and I work at Ericsson Telecom in Stockholm, Sweden. My address is: (UUCP) etxaax@vaxs.ericsson.se >>>Can't respond direct test route sent 11:07am Thursday, 31 March 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 30 Mar 88 06:11:56 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 30 Mar 88 06:10:48 EST Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Wed, 30 Mar 88 06:08:38 EST Received: from NUSVM.NUS.AC.SG by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3004; Wed, 30 Mar 88 06:08:36 EST Received: by NUSVM (Mailer X1.25) id 0125; Wed, 30 Mar 88 19:08:35 SST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 88 19:08:00 SST From: fclim Subject: Please add me to the mailing list. To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Hi, Please add me to the mailing list. My email address is gbopoly1%nusvm.bitnet @ cunyvm.cuny.edu, although I think there is another Bitnet gateway at MIT as well. Many thanks in advance. fclim computer center singapore polytechnic dover road s'pore 0513  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 4 Apr 88 15:08:20 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 4 Apr 88 15:05:31 EDT Date: Mon, 4 Apr 88 15:06:40 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Forwarding mis-directed mail To: Info-PCNet-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: #YEUN14%UOFMCC.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <353095.880404.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 88 22:05 cdt From: #YEUN14%UOFMCC.BITNET at MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: info-pcnet at mc.lcs.mit.edu, info-postscript at su-score.arpa Re: mailing list I want to be on your mailing list , QUIT  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 4 Apr 88 15:10:40 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 4 Apr 88 15:08:00 EDT Date: Mon, 4 Apr 88 15:08:47 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Forwarding mis-addressed mail To: Info-PCNet-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU cc: ltsmith@MITRE.ARPA Message-ID: <353097.880404.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 88 07:51:44 EST From: LT Sheri Smith USN To: info-pcnet at mc.lcs.mit.edu Re: please remove me from your mailing list Full-Name: LT Sheri Smith USN Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C.  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 5 Apr 88 15:47:11 EDT Received: from Xerox.COM (TCP 1500006350) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 5 Apr 88 15:09:50 EDT Received: from Cabernet.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 05 APR 88 12:07:01 PDT Date: 5 Apr 88 11:58 PDT From: Fischer.pa@Xerox.COM Subject: Please remove me from info-pcnet To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <880405-120701-3442@Xerox> Many thanks, its been a grand adventure, but ISDN draws neigh... (ron)  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 5 Apr 88 17:25:10 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 5 Apr 88 17:23:26 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Tue, 05 Apr 88 17:20:21 EDT Received: from SIUEVM.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 5276; Tue, 05 Apr 88 17:20:17 EDT Received: by SIUEVM (Mailer X1.23b) id 1122; Tue, 05 Apr 88 15:58:44 CEN Date: Tue Apr 05, 1988 15:56:59 CDT From: To: PLEASE ADD MY NAME TO THE PCNET MAILING LIST. THANKS. JOHN CHAVES  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from nswses.arpa (TCP 3204200056) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 8 Apr 88 14:28:45 EDT Date: 8 Apr 88 10:52:00 PST From: "CRAIG LEWIS, X4196, GSA" Subject: add calewis@nswses.arpa To: "info-pcnet-request" Reply-To: "CRAIG LEWIS, X4196, GSA" Please add me to your user gruop list. Thanks, Craig Lewis, NSWSES,(805)985-6081 ------  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 8 Apr 88 15:37:10 EDT Received: from RELAY.CS.NET (TCP 1201000005) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 8 Apr 88 15:35:09 EDT Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id ad18323; 8 Apr 88 14:49 EDT Received: from uhcl by RELAY.CS.NET id ab00813; 8 Apr 88 14:45 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Apr 88 11:33 CST From: NUNN%uhcl.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: addition to info-pcnet To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-VMS-To: IN%"info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu",NUNN Moderator, Please add info-pcnet%uhcl.edu@sh.cs.net to the distribution list. Since I'm not sure what my address should be from your host, use the hostname/route specified in the "FROM" header of this message. Thanks, John Nunn Technical Liaison University of Houston-Clear Lake  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 12 Apr 88 15:30:20 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 12 Apr 88 15:28:19 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Tue, 12 Apr 88 15:24:14 EDT Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3226; Tue, 12 Apr 88 15:24:08 EDT Received: by UKCC (Mailer X1.25) id 6044; Tue, 12 Apr 88 14:35:55 EST Date: Tue, 12 Apr 88 14:35:17 EST From: Michael Johnson Subject: Subscription To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Please add me to the INFO-PCNET mailing list. CCS002@UKCC.UKY.EDU Michael Johnson Thank you.  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from GTEWIS.ARPA (TCP 3201600102) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 13 Apr 88 16:17:01 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Apr 88 15:45:37 EST From: rdavenport@GTEWIS.ARPA Subject: Please subscribe To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Please add me to your distribution list. thanks, rob /-------------------------------\ | Robertson G. Davenport | | GTE Govt. Systems Corp. | | Billerica, MA | C the world.... | BELL: (617) 671-5180 | | ARPA: rdavenport@gtewis.arpa | | CIS : 73407,3716 | \-------------------------------/ >>>Already on? 4:35pm Wednesday, 13 April 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 14 Apr 88 11:57:35 EDT Received: from ncsc.ARPA (TCP 3201000065) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 14 Apr 88 11:55:14 EDT Received: by ncsc.ARPA id AA18349; Thu, 14 Apr 88 10:48:08 CST Date: Thu, 14 Apr 88 10:48:08 CST From: joe@ncsc.ARPA (DiBella) Message-Id: <8804141648.AA18349@ncsc.ARPA> To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Request I would like to be added to your mailing list J. DiBella  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from mcnc.mcnc.org (TCP 20033301401) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 23 Apr 88 13:15:22 EDT Received: by mcnc.mcnc.org (5.54/MCNC/10-20-87) id AA20756; Sat, 23 Apr 88 13:05:32 EDT Received: by nrtpc.uucp (pcmail) Sat Apr 23 00:05:08 1988 Date: Sat Apr 23 00:05:08 1988 From: Nicholas R. Trio Message-Id: <124@nrtpc.uucp> To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: add to list Hi, Would you please add me to the info-pcnet mailing list? I am currently running the UUPC public domain uucp software on my IBM PC Convertible laptop acting as my very own Usenet node. Thansk, (er, make that thanks...I have to write my own mailer one of these days :-)), Nick Trio -- Nicholas R. Trio, WB3COR UUCP: ...mcnc!nrtpc!nrt 1204E Village Greenway ARPANet: nrt%nrtpc.uucp@mcnc.org Cary, NC 27511 Phone: (919) 460-0807  0, answered,, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from aramis.rutgers.edu (TCP 20001402472) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 28 Apr 88 13:00:54 EDT Received: by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.54/1.15) id AA15366; Thu, 28 Apr 88 12:54:44 EDT Date: Thu, 28 Apr 88 12:54:44 EDT From: watrous@aramis.rutgers.edu (Don Watrous) Message-Id: <8804281654.AA15366@aramis.rutgers.edu> To: Info-PCNet-Request@ai.ai.mit.edu Subject: Removal request RED.RUTGERS.EDU has been taken out of service, effective 1-Feb-88, 0000. Please remove a subscription to Info-PCNet which should look something like @RED.RUTGERS.EDU. Thanks, Don Watrous uucp: {ames, cbosgd, harvard, moss}!rutgers.edu!watrous arpa: WATROUS@ARAMIS.RUTGERS.EDU  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 29 Apr 88 13:24:20 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: [watrous: Removal request] To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <367878.880429.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 88 22:17:23 EDT From: watrous at aramis.rutgers.edu (Don Watrous) To: MAP at ai.ai.mit.edu Re: Removal request SPROUL@RUTGERS.EDU is the one. RUTGERS.EDU used to be a nickname for RED.RUTGERS.EDU. When it became a machine in its own right, it forwarded mail for RED users to RED. When RED left, mail forwarding for users with no other accounts (as was SPROUL) was sent to a holding area, where I found the Info-PCNet messages. Please remove SPROUL@RUTGERS.EDU. Thanks, Don  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 1 May 88 19:10:55 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 1 May 88 19:06:34 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU ; Sun, 01 May 88 19:05:16 EDT Received: from TRINCC.BITNET (NMILLER) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 8209; Sun, 01 May 88 19:05:14 EDT Date: Sun, 1 May 88 19:05 EST From: Subject: MAILING LIST To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU X-Original-To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU, NMILLER PLEASE ADD MY NAME TO YOUR MAILING LIST. NORMAN MILLER  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from umix.cc.umich.edu (TCP 4300200412) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 11 May 88 00:41:42 EDT Received: by umix.cc.umich.edu (5.54/umix-2.0) id AA23711; Tue, 10 May 88 20:46:40 EDT Received: from MTSG.UBC.CA by um.cc.umich.edu via MTS-Net; Tue, 10 May 88 20:29:13 EDT Date: Tue, 10 May 88 17:28:36 PDT From: Glen_Turnbull@mtsg.ubc.ca To: info-pcnet-request@ai.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <1050985@mtsg.ubc.ca> Please add my name to your mailing list: Glen Turnbull@mtsg.ubc.ca (Internet) Glen Turnbull@ubcmtsg.bitnet (Bitnet)  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from CAD.UCLA.EDU (TCP 20030201307) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 19 May 88 02:11:08 EDT Date: 18 May 88 20:56:01 PDT From: LEU@CAD.UCLA.EDU To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Please add me into your distribution lists. Thanks!! Derjang Leu  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 24 May 88 11:05:31 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 24 May 88 10:53:47 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 2766; Tue, 24 May 88 04:29:06 EDT Received: from ITIVAX.BITNET (WAIHONG) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2765; Tue, 24 May 88 04:29:05 EDT Date: Tue, 24 May 88 16:23 U From: Subject: Addition to list To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-Original-To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu, WAIHONG I wish to be added to the list and would appreciate if u could send previous material for reading. Regards.  0,, *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 May 88 15:16:55 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Recent message To: Postmaster@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU, Postmaster@UUNET.UU.NET cc: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@UUNET.UU.NET Message-ID: <385172.880525.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> The following message, recently received here is brought to your attention. It is clearly in violation of DARPA regs on the use of the ARPAnet, and probably generally illegal under several different statutes. I bring this message to your attention because the poster mentions wide distribution, and I felt you might like to be forewarned of the possibility of problems. Mike Patton, Network Manager Laboratory for Computer Science Massachusetts Institute of Technology --------------------------------- Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0, unseen,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 00:14:28 EDT Received: from rand.org (TCP 1200600007) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 23:31:22 EDT Received: from blaise.rand.org by rand.org; Wed, 25 May 88 11:25:59 PDT Received: from localhost by blaise.arpa; Wed, 25 May 88 11:25:54 PDT Message-Id: <8805251825.AA01366@blaise.arpa> To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: HELP Me!!! In-Reply-To: Your message of 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT. <5823@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 88 11:25:53 PDT From: jim%blaise@rand-unix.ARPA Please remove me from the list. Gakk.  0, answered,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 04:24:37 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 03:38:12 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 3757; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:48 EDT Received: by MITVMA (Mailer X1.25) id 3756; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:47 EDT Date: Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:45 EDT From: Network Mailer Subject: Undelivered mail To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Your mail was not delivered to some or all of its intended recipients for the following reason(s): RSCS rejected mail w/tag: NOCMI TAYLOR .... Is the hostname misspelled? --------------------RETURNED MAIL FILE-------------------- Received: by MITVMA (Mailer X1.25) id 3725; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:46 EDT Received: from MITVMA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3691; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:01 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with TCP; Wed, 25 May 88 14:23:53 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 04:28:23 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 03:38:30 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 3862; Wed, 25 May 88 14:43:50 EDT Received: from SBCCVM.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3861; Wed, 25 May 88 14:38:48 EDT Received: from SBCCVM.BITNET by SBCCVM.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 5886; Wed, 25 May 88 14:33:15 EDT Date: Wed, 25 May 88 14:33:15 EDT From: Network Mailer To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 SBCCVM.BITNET Columbia MAILER X1.25 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO MITVMA.MIT.EDU 250 SBCCVM.BITNET Hello MITVMA.MIT.EDU 050 TICK 3691 250 3691 ... that's the ticket. 050 MAIL FROM: 250 ... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. 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Original message follows: Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by SBCCVM.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 5885; Wed, 25 May 88 14:33:14 EDT Received: from MITVMA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3691; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:01 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with TCP; Wed, 25 May 88 14:23:53 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 04:28:42 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 03:38:38 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 3864; Wed, 25 May 88 14:44:07 EDT Received: from CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3863; Wed, 25 May 88 14:38:55 EDT Received: from CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU by CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 5842; Wed, 25 May 88 14:31:43 EDT Date: Wed, 25 May 88 14:31:42 EDT From: Network Mailer To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU Columbia MAILER X1.25 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO MITVMA.MIT.EDU 250 CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU Hello MITVMA.MIT.EDU 050 TICK 3691 250 3691 ... that's the ticket. 050 MAIL FROM: 250 ... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. 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Original message follows: Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 5841; Wed, 25 May 88 14:31:41 EDT Received: from MITVMA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3691; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:01 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with TCP; Wed, 25 May 88 14:23:53 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 04:31:33 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 03:39:10 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 6703; Wed, 25 May 88 20:37:01 EDT Received: from JPNTSCVM.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 6702; Wed, 25 May 88 20:37:00 EDT Received: from JPNTSCVM.BITNET by JPNTSCVM.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 0800; Thu, 26 May 88 09:35:44 JST Date: Thu, 26 May 88 09:35:43 JST From: Network Mailer To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 JPNTSCVM.BITNET Columbia MAILER X1.25 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO MITVMA.MIT.EDU 250 JPNTSCVM.BITNET Hello MITVMA.MIT.EDU 050 TICK 3691 250 3691 ... that's the ticket. 050 MAIL FROM: 250 ... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. 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Original message follows: Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by JPNTSCVM.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 0798; Thu, 26 May 88 09:35:42 JST Received: from MITVMA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3691; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:01 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with TCP; Wed, 25 May 88 14:23:53 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 05:27:22 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 05:27:23 EDT Received: from dccs.upenn.edu (TCP 20026777001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 17:52:33 EDT Received: from SUPER.UPENN.EDU by dccs.upenn.edu id AA19375; Wed, 25 May 88 17:49:55 EDT Return-Path: Received: by super.upenn.edu id AA20738; Wed, 25 May 88 17:50:58 EDT Message-Id: <8805252150.AA20738@super.upenn.edu> From: PMDF Mail Server To: @AI.AI.MIT.EDU, @mc.lcs.mit.edu:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Undeliverable mail Date: Wed, 25 May 88 17:45 EST The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: salomon Reason: %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user SALOMON at node WILMA ---------------------------------------- Return-Path: <@AI.AI.MIT.EDU,@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu> Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by wharton.upenn.edu via TCP; Wed May 25 17:45 EST Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 06:38:22 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 06:39:58 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 06:33:06 EDT Date: Thu, 26 May 88 06:34:43 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Thursday, 26 May 1988 06:34-EDT To: "@AI.AI.MIT.EDU,@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu"@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <426387.880526@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU> ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============ "MAZE" at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. Will try sending to the file "GUEST3;MAZE MAIL". ============ Failed message follows: ============ Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 06:33:43 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 08:12:34 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 08:13:39 EDT Date: Wed, 25 May 88 15:09:28 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Wednesday, 25 May 1988 14:07-EDT To: "@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu"@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <385160.880525@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> FAILED: INFO-PCNET.MDC at OFFICE-1.ARPA; Recipient name apparently rejected. Last reply was: {550 No such mailbox here} FAILED: calewis at NSWSES.ARPA; Funny reply from foreign host after sending message. Last reply was: {554 Unable to deliver mail to given recipient(s)} Failed message follows: ------- Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 29 May 88 19:09:00 EDT Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (TCP 20071000402) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 29 May 88 19:09:29 EDT Received: from OUACCVMB.BITNET by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 8726; Sun, 29 May 88 19:06:43 EDT Date: Sun, 29 May 88 19:03:17 EDT To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu From: CS527%OUACCVMB.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Comment: CROSSNET mail via SMTP@INTERBIT Subject: remove from list Date: 29 May 1988, 19:02:37 EDT From: CS527 at OUACCVMB To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU at EDU Please take me off your mailing list. Thank you, CS527@OUACCVMB.BITNET  0,, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 29 May 88 19:37:35 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 29 May 88 19:31:53 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 29 May 88 19:30:15 EDT Date: Sun, 29 May 88 19:31:35 EDT From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Thursday, 26 May 1988 06:34-EDT To: "@AI.AI.MIT.EDU,@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu"@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <428051.880529@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU> FAILED: York at MULTICS.MIT.EDU; Host appears to be permanently down or not accepting mail. Failed message follows: ------- Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3130) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 06:33:43 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Poor College Student needs Your Help!! :-( Hi. I just finished my junior year in college, and now I'm faced with a major problem. I can't afford to pay for my senior year. I've tried everything. I can't get any more student loans, I don't qualify for any more scholarships, and my parents are as broke as am I. So as you can see, I've got a major problem. But as far as I can see, there is only one solution, to go forward. I've come along way, and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to drop out now! I'm not a quiter, and I'm not going to give up. But here is why I'm telling you all this. I want to ask a favor of every one out here on the net. If each of you would just send me a one dollar bill, I will be able to finish college and go on with my life. I'm sure a dollar is not much to any of you, but just think how it could change a person's life. I'd really like to encourage all of you to help me out, I've no other place to go, no other doors to knock on. I'm counting on all of you to help me! (PLEASE!) If you would like to help a poor boy out, please send $1 (you can of course send more if you want!! :-) Jay-Jay's College Fund PO BOX 5631 Lincoln, NE 68505 PS. Please don't flame me for posting this to so many newsgroups, I really am in dire need of help, and if any of you were as desparate as I am, you just might resort to the same thing I am. Also, please don't tell me to get a job! I already have one and work over 25 hrs a week, plus get in all my classes, plus find time to study! So hey, please consider it! It would really mean a lot to me. Thank you! NOTE: Any extra money I receive will go to a scholarship fund to help others in the same situation. :-)  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 31 May 88 12:51:10 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 31 May 88 11:28:36 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 0557; Tue, 31 May 88 09:04:56 EDT Received: from Uofmcc.Bitnet by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 0556; Tue, 31 May 88 07:57:05 EDT Date: Mon, 30 May 88 11:51 CDT From: Daniel Keizer To: Subject: Please drop my id from the info-pcnet digest. Thanks. Dan.  0,, FYI, *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 1 Jun 88 16:36:53 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Undelivered mail To: MAILER@MITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Reply-to: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.Edu In-reply-to: Msg of Wed 25 May 88 14:24:45 EDT from Network Mailer Message-ID: <389480.880601.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Can you help me with this error? It isn't clear to me what it means. To the best of my knowledge this address was working for a long time before this error came out. Thanks, Mike Patton Info-PCNet maintainer Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 04:24:37 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 26 May 88 03:38:12 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 3757; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:48 EDT Received: by MITVMA (Mailer X1.25) id 3756; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:47 EDT Date: Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:45 EDT From: Network Mailer Subject: Undelivered mail To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu Your mail was not delivered to some or all of its intended recipients for the following reason(s): RSCS rejected mail w/tag: NOCMI TAYLOR .... Is the hostname misspelled? --------------------RETURNED MAIL FILE-------------------- Received: by MITVMA (Mailer X1.25) id 3725; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:46 EDT Received: from MITVMA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3691; Wed, 25 May 88 14:24:01 EDT Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with TCP; Wed, 25 May 88 14:23:53 EDT Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 14:07:02 EDT Received: from BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (TCP 2224000021) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 25 May 88 13:27:23 EDT Received: by BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU with sendmail-5.59/4.7 id ; Tue, 24 May 88 20:53:43 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon with netnews for info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu (info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon if you have questions) Date: 24 May 88 00:55:37 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!JJ@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Portal System (TM) Subject: HELP Me!!! Message-Id: <5823@cup.portal.com> Sender: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu [Original message removed for brevity -MAP]  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 10 Jun 88 02:26:19 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 10 Jun 88 02:02:36 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 1496; Fri, 10 Jun 88 02:00:54 EDT Received: from DBNRHRZ1.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 1495; Fri, 10 Jun 88 02:00:53 EDT Received: by DBNRHRZ1 (Mailer X1.25) id 9244; Thu, 09 Jun 88 15:29:16 MEZ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 88 15:28:27 MEZ From: Ernst-Peter Beyer To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu SUBSCRIBE E.-P. Beyer  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from dca-ems.arpa (TCP 3200200114) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 15 Jun 88 23:52:50 EDT Date: 15 Jun 88 23:33 EDT From: Crockett @ DCA-EMS.arpa Subject: mailing list To: info-pcnet-request @ ai.ai.mit.edu CC: Crockett @ DCA-EMS.arpa Hello-- Please include me on your mailing list-- thanx greg crockett  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from uwchem (TCP 20064002001) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 16 Jun 88 19:32:39 EDT Date: 14 Jun 88 08:03:00 PDT From: "OLYMPUS" Subject: Addition to mailing list To: "info-pcnet-request" Reply-To: "OLYMPUS" I would appreciate being placed on your mailing list. My internet address is ganderson%uwchem@oly.acs.washington.edu Thank You Gary F. Anderson  ------  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 18 Jun 88 19:39:49 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Jun 88 19:39:56 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 0985; Sat, 18 Jun 88 19:39:15 EDT Received: from OUACCVMB.BITNET (HONTU001) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 0984; Sat, 18 Jun 88 19:39:14 EDT Date: Sat, 18 Jun 88 13:47:07 EDT To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.MIT.EDU From: HONTU001%OUACCVMB.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Comment: CROSSNET mail via MAILER@MITVMA Return-Receipt-To: HONTU001@OUACCVMB.BITNET Subject: subscription Date: 18 June 1988, 13:46:01 EDT From: Patrick Flanigan HONTU001 at OUACCVMB To: INFO-PCN at MC.LCS Please add me to your INFO-PCNET newsgroup. Thanks, Patrick Flanigan  0, answered, unseen,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 28 Jun 88 13:10:28 EDT Received: from logicon.ARPA (TCP 3200400003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 28 Jun 88 13:02:39 EDT Received: by logicon.ARPA (4.12/5.20) id AA02304; Tue, 28 Jun 88 10:01:42 pdt Message-Id: <8806281701.AA02304@logicon.ARPA> Date: 28 Jun 1988 1001-PDT (Tuesday) From: Jeff Makey To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Please remove... Please remove "pcnet@LOGICON.ARPA" from the PC-Net mailing list (assuming that the list still even exists!). The last time we received anything was last December 7, and traffic on the list has never amounted to what I expected. Please acknowledge this request, either to me or to "pcnet@LOGICON.ARPA". Thank you. :: Jeff Makey Makey@LOGICON.ARPA  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 5 Jul 88 20:46:00 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 5 Jul 88 20:43:12 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 3082; Tue, 05 Jul 88 20:42:20 EDT Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3081; Tue, 05 Jul 88 20:41:56 EDT Received: by UKCC (Mailer X1.25) id 7785; Tue, 05 Jul 88 20:39:42 EDT Date: Tue, 05 Jul 88 20:39:12 EDT From: Michael Johnson Subject: SIGNOFF To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Somehow I find myself receiving messages from INFO-PCNET. Please sign me off. Thank you.  0,, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 6 Jul 88 10:27:03 EDT Received: from SIMTEL20.ARPA (TCP 3200000112) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 6 Jul 88 10:21:06 EDT Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1988 08:19 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-PCNET-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Cc: postmaster@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Bad mailing list entry The following Info-PCNET mailing list entry causes an infinate mail rejection loop from DOCKMASTER.ARPA's mailer. --Keith Petersen From: Network_Server.Daemon at DOCKMASTER.ARPA Re: Unable to deliver mail from KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message will be returned under separate cover. To: >udd>STECH>Shilinski>Shilinski.mbx at DOCKMASTER.ARPA: >>>Commented out, test message sent 6:33pm Wednesday, 6 July 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 2420) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 7 Jul 88 11:10:59 EDT Return-Path: <@AI.AI.MIT.EDU:KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by XX.LCS.MIT.EDU with Chaos/SMTP; Thu 7 Jul 88 07:45:27-EDT Received: from SIMTEL20.ARPA (TCP 3200000112) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 7 Jul 88 07:49:07 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1988 05:43 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Piotr_Michalowski@UB.CC.UMICH.EDU Cc: postmaster@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: missing persons, versions and doc files In-reply-to: Msg of 6 Jul 1988 08:06-MDT from Piotr_Michalowski at ub.cc.umich.edu ReSent-Date: Thu 7 Jul 88 10:58:08-EDT ReSent-From: Rob Austein ReSent-To: info-pcnet-request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU ReSent-Message-ID: <12412419757.54.SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> Date: Wednesday, 6 July 1988 08:06-MDT From: Piotr_Michalowski at ub.cc.umich.edu To: KPETERSEN%SIMTEL20.ARPA%MC.LCS.MIT.EDU%AI.AI.MIT.EDU at um.cc.umich.edu Re: missing persons, versions and doc files Why did I receive this message? I posted it to Info-PCNET@AI.AI.MIT.EDU. You must be on their mailing list. --Keith Petersen  0, answered,, Done, Later, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 7 Jul 88 13:48:49 EDT Received: from SIMTEL20.ARPA (TCP 3200000112) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 7 Jul 88 12:49:49 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1988 10:25 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Rob Austein Cc: "Frank J. Wancho" , Info-PCNET-Request@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: missing persons, versions and doc files In-reply-to: Msg of 7 Jul 1988 09:00-MDT from Rob Austein Date: Thursday, 7 July 1988 09:00-MDT From: Rob Austein To: W8SDZ cc: SRA at XX.LCS.MIT.EDU Re: missing persons, versions and doc files Come on, you know better than to send mail to Postmaster when it's clearly INFO-PCNET-REQUEST stuff. I forwarded it there. It is clear that there is no one tending to the Info-PCNET mailing list. Try posting a message to it. It results in *numerous* mailer errors that have been a continuing problem with that list. I received mail from one person who said he didn't understand why he received my posting. Perhaps that's the one you are referring to. Things are so bad with this list that there was a recent effort to kill it because it was obvious that no one was maintaining it. The effort was overruled. I maintain five mailing lists myself and am well aware that administrative messages should be sent to -request. There are times, however, when the postmaster *must* become involved. This is one of them. --Keith Petersen  0,, FYI, *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 7 Jul 88 15:07:32 EDT From: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Sender: MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: Info-PCNet mailing list To: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU, WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA, SRA@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU In-reply-to: Msg of Thu 7 Jul 1988 10:25 MDT from Keith Petersen Message-ID: <408761.880707.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> There is indeed someone at Info-PCNet-Request and I deal with any messages that I get. If you had a problem and didn't forward it to me how can you expect me to have dealt with it? On the other hand, most used to come to me directly and now it seems to have stopped, I'll have to look into that. Mike Patton, PCNet mailing list maintainer Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.Edu  0,, FYI, *** EOOH *** Received: from a.cc.umich.edu (TCP 4300220532) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 7 Jul 88 18:07:29 EDT Received: from umix.cc.umich.edu by a.cc.umich.edu (5.59/1.0) id AA08961; Thu, 7 Jul 88 18:05:40 EDT Received: by umix.cc.umich.edu (5.54/umix-2.0) id AA17805; Thu, 7 Jul 88 18:15:46 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Jul 88 18:04:08 EDT From: Piotr_Michalowski@ub.cc.umich.edu To: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-Id: <1704283@ub.cc.umich.edu> Subject: Info-PCNet mail you received Thanks, it seems to eb a problem at this end.  0,, FYI, *** EOOH *** Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 7 Jul 88 19:44:49 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 7 Jul 88 19:36:17 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 8891; Thu, 07 Jul 88 19:35:01 EDT Received: from VCUVAX.BITNET (SPIDERS) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 8890; Thu, 07 Jul 88 19:34:55 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Jul 88 19:26 EST From: (John Lundin, Jr.) Subject: lundin@urvax.bitnet: test message To: info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu X-Original-To: "map@mc.lcs.mit.edu","info-pcnet-request@mc.lcs.mit.edu", SPIDERS Hi, Mike. Sorry this isn't being sent from my own account, but they updated the software for the non-bitnet outgoing mailer today, and it broke! Back to the usual stand Monday. Incoming mail is not affected, please don't send mail -here-. (This is a "courtesy" account - the spider is the UR sports totem animal) > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 88 14:52:54 EDT > From: "Michael A. Patton" > Whether you used @MC or @AI addresses... should not matter. I'm sending a test note to you on @MC, both to MAP and info-pcnet-request, to see what happens. It might work now, but if it doesn't you'll find out. Good luck, little letter... -john - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - John Lundin, Jr. LUNDIN @ URVAX lundin@urvax.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu  0,, Later, *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 12 Jul 88 18:41:48 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: [CENT: lost pcnet mail] To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <411152.880712.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 88 18:37:24 EDT From: Pandora B. Berman To: MAP at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU Re: lost pcnet mail found on MC. this appears to be a complaint. ---------- Received: from RELAY.CS.NET (TCP 1201000005) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 31 Dec 87 06:51:13 EST Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id aa08587; 31 Dec 87 6:45 EST Date: Thu, 31 Dec 87 6:42:03 EST From: RELAY Mail System (MMDF) Sender: mmdf@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: Failed mail (msg.ab12281) To: @RELAY.CS.NET:Orphanage@mc.lcs.mit.edu After 7 days (156 hours), your message could not be fully delivered. It failed to be received by the following address(es): postmaster@rca.com (host: rca.com) (queue: rca) Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving machine. Less often, they are caused by the communication system. Your message follows: Received: from relay.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id ab12281; 24 Dec 87 18:35 EST Received: from mc.lcs.mit.edu by RELAY.CS.NET id aa03601; 24 Dec 87 18:33 EST Date: Thu, 24 Dec 87 18:32:08 EST From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Thursday, 24 December 1987 18:32-EST To: "@RELAY.CS.NET:postmaster@rca.com"@RELAY.CS.NET Message-ID: <349738.871224@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU> ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============ "00R0DHESI%BSU.CSNET%CSNET-RELAY.CSNET" at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU is an unknown recipient. ============ Failed message follows: ============ Received: from RELAY.CS.NET (TCP 1201000005) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 24 Dec 87 18:31:50 EST Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id aa03561; 24 Dec 87 18:28 EST Received: from rca.com by csnet-relay.csnet id ab12255; 24 Dec 87 18:26 EST From: PMDF Mail Server To: 00R0DHESI%bsu.csnet%csnet-relay.csnet%mc.lcs.mit.edu%mc.lcs.mit.edu@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: Undeliverable mail Date: Thu, 24 Dec 87 01:44 EST The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: PCHEN Reason: %MAIL-E-USERDSABL, user PCHEN cannot receive new mail ---------------------------------------- Received: from relay.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id al04076; 19 Dec 87 12:04 EST Received: from ai.ai.mit.edu by RELAY.CS.NET id aa01242; 19 Dec 87 11:56 EST Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU (CHAOS 3131) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 19 Dec 87 11:43:26 EST Received: from RELAY.CS.NET (TCP 1201000005) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 19 Dec 87 11:45:22 EST Received: from [128.89.1.80] by RELAY.CS.NET id aa01100; 19 Dec 87 11:37 EST Received: from bsu by csnet-relay.csnet id ab03889; 19 Dec 87 11:34 EST Date: Fri, 18 Dec 87 09:25 EST From: Rahul Dhesi <00R0DHESI%bsu.csnet@csnet-relay.csnet> To: info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Darned info-pcnet list--get me off it X-VMS-To: IN%"info-pcnet@mc.lcs.mit.edu",00R0DHESI Received: from RELAY.CS.NET by RCA.COM; Thu, 24 Dec 87 00:50 EST Does anybody know who is responsible for the info-pcnet fiasco, and why they can't fix it? I keep receiving messages from this list, despite repeated attempts to get removed from this list. The Postmaster at mc.lcs.mit.edu seems to just ignore my requests that something be done about this infernal list, and so does the info-pcnet-request address. Can anybody supply me with a telephone number for the culprits responsible for this list? Or a US postal address? Perhaps verbal threats or through the US mail will have some effect. Or, if you happen to be in the area, I respectfully request you to unplug the computer system responsible for this list, or use any other means necessary to shut it down. Thank-you. R. Dhesi dhesi@bsu.edu or 00r0dhesi@bsu.edu or dhesi%bsu@relay.cs.net etc.  0,, Later, *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 15 Jul 88 16:14:35 EDT From: "Michael A. Patton" Subject: Mis-directed mail To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU cc: CSMA193%MAINE.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <413011.880715.MAP@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> The following mail should (probably) have been sent to the list maintainer(s), not the whole list, so I'm forwarding it. I'm not sure I understand it, the original sender may wish to forward a better description of what he wants to the maintainer(s) directly. Date: Thu, 14 Jul 88 12:30:58 EDT From: CSMA193%MAINE.BITNET at MITVMA.MIT.EDU To: INFO-PCNET at MC.LCS.MIT.EDU LIST  0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 23:27:39 EDT From: "Pandora B. Berman" Subject: old req. To: INFO-PCNET-REQUEST@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <418708.880726.CENT@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> found while dredging through my old mail. i assume you removed him long ago. ---------- To: Postmaster@mc.lcs.mit.edu cc: Postmaster@xx.lcs.mit.edu, info-pcnet@xx.lcs.mit.edu, info-pcnet-request@xx.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: INFO-PCNET@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU shut down In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 19 Dec 87 18:19:00 -0500. Reply-to: Stef@nrtc.northrop.com Date: Sun, 20 Dec 87 22:12:49 -0800 Message-ID: <6540.567065569@nma.com> From: Einar Stefferud Thanks you ever so much for taking control. Please log this as my request to be removed from the list in case it is resurrected. I have no idea what my address in the list might be, so look for Stef, Estefferud, Stefferud, or such at USC, ECL, ICS, UCI, or BRL hosts. Thanks -- Stef >>>>Don't have that address now 5:17pm Wednesday, 27 July 1988 -MAP 0,, Done, *** EOOH *** Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU (TCP 2227000003) by AI.AI.MIT.EDU 28 Jul 88 06:57:21 EDT Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.1) with BSMTP id 4788; Thu, 28 Jul 88 06:54:14 EDT Received: from MUVMS1.BITNET (MAILLIST) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 4787; Wed, 27 Jul 88 14:23:26 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Jul 88 14:18 EST From: Subject: Add us to the list To: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU X-Original-To: Info-PCNet-Request@AI.AI.MIT.EDU , MAILLIST To: list manager Please subscribe INFOPCNE@muvms1.bitnet to the Info-PCNet mail list. This address is forwarded to a local redistribution list and is not an actual account. We hope this will streamline our user's subscription procedure. Thank you for your cooperation. Thank you, Michael McGuffey Marshall University Computer Center maillist@muvms1.bitnet